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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    Something called Change Research polled a bunch of Trump districts


    over the weekend. Don't know the partisan tilt (though I can guess based on the name alone) , but it also mentioned King with a 1 point lead and -10 favorability.

    We could never be that lucky.
    Well he lost endorsements from papers he previously held in recent days. I would bet the numbers are close to right.
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    "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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    Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) responded Tuesday after he was condemned by a top House Republican, claiming that attacks against him "are orchestrated by nasty, desperate, and dishonest fake news."

    King also said that the "goal" is to impeach President Trump and "Establishment Never Trumpers are complicit."

    “Americans, all created equal by God, with all our races, ethnicities, and national origins-legal immigrants & natural born citizens, together make up the Shining City on the Hill. These attacks are orchestrated by nasty, desperate, and dishonest fake news. Their ultimate goal is to flip the House and impeach Donald Trump. Establishment Trumpers are complicit," he wrote in a statement posted to Twitter.
    Earlier Tuesday, Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio) — chairman of the House GOP campaign arm — condemned King for his recent comments in support of white nationalists.

    "Congressman Steve King’s recent comments, actions, and retweets are completely inappropriate. We must stand up against white supremacy and hate in all forms, and I strongly condemn this behavior," Stivers tweeted.
    So now GOPers that condemn racism are complicit with wanting Trump impeached?
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    Sounds about right for Steve King.
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    Republicans hate kids, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Republicans hate kids, too.


    jfc
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    Even with gaining the House will Nancy and the Dems still have to play nice to a point? With a big lead now in the Senate couldn't the Republicans pass the Obamacare repeal bill previously passed in the House or minimally use that threat as a bargaining chip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Even with gaining the House will Nancy and the Dems still have to play nice to a point? With a big lead now in the Senate couldn't the Republicans pass the Obamacare repeal bill previously passed in the House or minimally use that threat as a bargaining chip?
    No, they can't pass it without throwing out the filibuster altogether. I don't see them doing that.
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    Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Even with gaining the House will Nancy and the Dems still have to play nice to a point? With a big lead now in the Senate couldn't the Republicans pass the Obamacare repeal bill previously passed in the House or minimally use that threat as a bargaining chip?
    All bllls not enacted by 1/3/19 die, and they have to start over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    No, they can't pass it without throwing out the filibuster altogether. I don't see them doing that.
    Can they pull the reconciliation card and pass it on a majority vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Can they pull the reconciliation card and pass it on a majority vote?
    Sure but it would never pass the House which it still needs to do to be enacted. The Ryan House would have backed it...Pelosi not so much.

    Repeal and Replace is dead.

    edit: The Process

    To trigger the reconciliation process, Congress passes a concurrent resolution on the budget instructing one or more committees to report changes in law affecting the budget by a certain date. If the budget instructs more than one committee, then those committees send their recommendations to the Budget Committee of their House, and the Budget Committee packages the recommendations into a single omnibus bill. In the Senate, the reconciliation bill then gets only 20 hours of debate and amendments are limited. Only one reconciliation bill can be passed in any given year.[4]

    A reconciliation bill is a bill containing changes in law recommended pursuant to reconciliation instructions in a budget resolution. If the instructions pertain to only one committee in a chamber, that committee reports the reconciliation bill. If the instructions pertain to more than one committee, the House Budget Committee reports an omnibus reconciliation bill, but it may not make substantive changes in the recommendations of the other committees.[31]

    Former Senator Judd Gregg explained the complex sequence of steps involved in reconciliation. He emphasizes the complexity of the process, especially if there is a deep partisan divide:[32]

    Congress passes a budget resolution, with a deadline of April 15. No presidential signature is needed; sometimes the resolution is delayed or never passed.
    The budget goes to both houses.
    It goes to the Senate with a special rule: it can pass with a majority and cannot be filibustered. Other legislation can be filibustered and requires 60 votes to end the filibuster.
    The budget cannot affect entitlements such as Medicare unless the budget includes "reconciliation instructions." In that case, the Byrd rule applies and the primary result must be to reduce entitlement spending. Gregg notes, "If the budget calls for more revenue to reduce the deficit, then reconciliation can be used to produce that revenue via fees or taxes." A reconciliation instruction is a provision in a budget resolution directing one or more committees to submit legislation changing existing law in order to bring spending, tax revenues, or the debt ceiling into conformity with the budget resolution. The instructions specify the committees to which they apply, indicate the appropriate dollar changes to be achieved, and usually provide a deadline by which the legislation is to be reported or submitted.[33]
    After the changes are made, the Budget Committees consolidate them into one bill that is voted on by both houses; it needs a majority in the Senate.
    The final reconciliation covers government spending and goes to the president who can sign it or veto it; the veto can be overturned by a two-thirds majority in both houses.
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    Politico Further Explains Reconciliation

    The budget that Congress agrees on would include instructions on reconciliation. Those instructions would say Congress needs to make changes in spending and revenue, and how much. Committees in the House and Senate then debate and vote on how to do that, by a set date. That is the point at which specific programs might be targeted for spending cuts, or various taxes altered.

    The Budget Committee in each chamber then picks up those proposals, bundles them together if they came from multiple committees, and votes. That’s followed by votes in the full House and Senate. A conference committee would settle any differences between the two chambers, and one more set of votes would be taken in each chamber. The final product is then sent to the president’s desk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Can they pull the reconciliation card and pass it on a majority vote?
    Nope. Can only do it on budget bills.

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