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    Iím not fussy. Anything is acceptable with the exception of the dreaded shootout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgb-ohio View Post
    Indeed. That's one reason I conceded that simply stopping after 60 minutes was tempting.



    If you're directing this to me, you're going to have to refresh my memory as to what went wrong. Have we ever traded messages before?
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    I mean, this is easy to figure out. The teams combined played 250 overtime games. So there were 125 overtime games and 54 winners. 43.2%.**

    However this includes games with unlimited overtime like the Beanpot final and any tournament games which should be excluded. How many of those were there?

    EDIT: The teams played 16 conference/NCAA tournament OT games combined, so there were 8 games. Add the Beanpot final, 9 games with unlimited OT. So 116 games, 45 winners, 38.79%.**

    **I added these up manually because I'm on my phone and the website didn't have totals at the bottom so it's possible I added wrong but I should only be off by a couple if I did.
    I have been working on compiling composite season results for men's and women's teams for a a while now (I have more men's seasons) and for last season I come up with 120 women's regular season overtime games, 45 wins and 75 ties (counting the Beanpot championship game as a tie) for 37.5% of games having a winner. I have uploaded a workbook with men's overtime games for 1975-76, 1984-85, 1986-89 (all 10-minute overtimes except for CCHA league games in 88-89), 1998-99, 2008-09 and 2012-18 and women's overtime games for 2015-18. As the overtime rules are for both men and women I have also combined the 2015-18 numbers for overall NCAA totals. For the past three seasons the combined win rate for overtime games has been 35% and if you go back to the 1988-89 CCHA games the average win rate for men's overtime games for the season's I have is 35.78%, with individual seasons fluctuating between a high of 41.38% (1988-89 CCHA) and a low of 31.18% (2016-17 - the women had a low of 30.53%). I still have to compile more seasons, especially for women's games, but it appears that only about 1/3 of overtime games have a winner with the 5 minute overtime. Compare that to the average win rate for men's overtime games through the 1988-89 season (excluding CCHA games) of 66.1%, or 2/3 of overtime games having a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    I have been working on compiling composite season results for men's and women's teams for a a while now (I have more men's seasons) and for last season I come up with 120 women's regular season overtime games, 45 wins and 75 ties (counting the Beanpot championship game as a tie) for 37.5% of games having a winner. I have uploaded a workbook with men's overtime games for 1975-76, 1984-85, 1986-89 (all 10-minute overtimes except for CCHA league games in 88-89), 1998-99, 2008-09 and 2012-18 and women's overtime games for 2015-18. As the overtime rules are for both men and women I have also combined the 2015-18 numbers for overall NCAA totals. For the past three seasons the combined win rate for overtime games has been 35% and if you go back to the 1988-89 CCHA games the average win rate for men's overtime games for the season's I have is 35.78%, with individual seasons fluctuating between a high of 41.38% (1988-89 CCHA) and a low of 31.18% (2016-17 - the women had a low of 30.53%). I still have to compile more seasons, especially for women's games, but it appears that only about 1/3 of overtime games have a winner with the 5 minute overtime. Compare that to the average win rate for men's overtime games through the 1988-89 season (excluding CCHA games) of 66.1%, or 2/3 of overtime games having a winner.

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    Aren't these percentages pretty much in line with average total goals over 60 minutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDad16 View Post
    This wasn't directed at anyone in particular. My comments typically are just addressed to the broader group. Just me trying to be humble.
    Was wondering 'cuz I was the one quoted. But I get it now; all is well.

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    I agree that a tie’s a tie after 60 minutes. When you need a winner (all tourneys) play real hockey (5x5) until you get one.

    If not the above, how about handicapping teams that haven’t won an OT in at least three years? (That’s as far back as I want to look.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by D2D View Post
    I actually enjoy 3v3 hockey. It is a whole different game from 5v5, but the point is that the 5v5 was unable to produce a winner. Of course, I also enjoyed watching the cast from Three's Company compete against Mean Joe Greene paddling life rafts in a swimming pool on the Superstars TV shows in the '70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    STOP with the gimmicks. Play REAL hockey. Come on, you can do it.
    No one here likes shootouts, 4v4, or 3v3 more than 5v5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    No one here likes shootouts, 4v4, or 3v3 more than 5v5.
    I am in favor of a punt, pass and kick competition to decide the winner.
    In theory 4x4 or 3x3 should favor the better skating team but after 60 minutes of play I am not convinced that is really accurate. For the regular season I guess it simplifies things to eliminate ties but I don't stay for shootouts because they are silly and do not favor the better team more than random chance. They could hold a coin toss for all I care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    No one here likes shootouts, 4v4, or 3v3 more than 5v5.
    Sounds like maybe the coaches made their voice heard about their preferences. I wonder how the players feel overall. I never had a problem with the rule playing a 5 on 5 overtime for 5 minutes. Sometimes a tie feels like a win to the team that wasn't supposed to win on paper going into the game. I feel as though 4 on 4, 3 on 3, and shootouts favor the team that actually is better on paper. I would bet the teams that are typically at the top end of the talent pool favor the new change proposals but the teams that are typically at the lower end of the talent pool probably favor keeping things the way they are with the five on five for five minutes.

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    Sounds like maybe the coaches made their voice heard about their preferences.
    Apparently it was the men's coaches from the NCHC that strongly objected to the one 5 minute overtime period, and this held sway and led to the rule modification.

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    I wonder how the players feel overall.
    I very much doubt they had any influence, one way or the other, so as a practical matter most would say, "Whatever".

    Quote Originally Posted by shelfit View Post
    I feel as though 4 on 4, 3 on 3, and shootouts favor the team that actually is better on paper. I would bet the teams that are typically at the top end of the talent pool favor the new change proposals but the teams that are typically at the lower end of the talent pool probably favor keeping things the way they are with the five on five for five minutes.
    I agree with everything here other than "shootouts favor the team that actually is better on paper." Remembering that hockey is a team game, not a one-on-one skills contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leather helmet View Post
    I actually enjoy 3v3 hockey. It is a whole different game from 5v5, but the point is that the 5v5 was unable to produce a winner. Of course, I also enjoyed watching the cast from Three's Company compete against Mean Joe Greene paddling life rafts in a swimming pool on the Superstars TV shows in the '70s.
    Gabe Kaplan, a 5X team captain, showed tremendous leadership back in the day.

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    "They shoot horses, don't they?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by D2D View Post
    Apparently it was the men's coaches from the NCHC that strongly objected to the one 5 minute overtime period, and this held sway and led to the rule modification.
    I'm guessing the Beanpot schools also probably squawked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genbeau View Post
    Gabe Kaplan, a 5X team captain, showed tremendous leadership back in the day.
    I have always felt that Gabe Kaplan was underrated as a tactician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leather helmet View Post
    I have always felt that Gabe Kaplan was underrated as a tactician.
    Lynda Carter was fun to watch on his team in this competition...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    I'm guessing the Beanpot schools also probably squawked.
    From this article it's apparent that the WCHA (men's) also gave input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D2D View Post
    Disappointing news.

    Besides being a step in the wrong direction, the Rules Committee's process also leaves something to be desired. Bertanga puts the best spin on it that one can. But usually it's better to have the comment period prior to announcing a decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by D2D View Post
    From this article it's apparent that the WCHA (men's) also gave input.

    http://www.startribune.com/ncaa-hock...uts/488682401/
    The current format used in the B1G Men's league is also back on the ballot. Looks like an East/West divide among the coaches, with the Western coaches favoring the gimmicks. That's a little uncomfortable for a Western fan who's against shootouts. We have met the enemy, and it is us?

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    During nonconference games, these alternative options are not permitted, and a game would end in a tie after the traditional five-minute overtime.
    Which may reveal the underlying reason for this odd chain of events. It sure looks the Eastern coaches got together and decided they didn't want to participate in the "alternative options" during non-conference play. But with that specific demand satisfied, the principled opposition to shootouts melted away...

    Just speculation on my part. But the shoe seems to fit.
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