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Oh it’s an execution and it’s working perfectly as intended.
Oh it’s an execution and it’s working perfectly as intended.
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...
This. You better be in fear of your actual life and have proof to back up that claim. Some bro-dude just says, "You're gonna die, punk!" There's nothing there to cause you to kill him. You might be scared, that's fine and natural. It's all context. Now, if bro-dude points a gun at you? Fire away.Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
As for redundant laws, SYG and Self-Defense are far from the only law that repeats itself. See: distracted driving/cell phones laws. Just sayin'.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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They aren't repetitive. Self-defense is what you're describing. SYG is intended to go well beyond that.Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostComment
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From the articles I read, the principle is the same. For comparison, so are the cellphone/distracted driving laws. In the SYG/SD: don't try and kill the other guy unless you will be dead yourself otherwise."Originally posted by unofan View Post
SYG's issue is the loose interpretation of that law. That's the issue with it.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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Let's look at it a different way:
Distracted Driving: pretty big umbrella there. Due to social pressures, additional laws for driving w/cells narrowed that specific crime down to a single thing.
Self-Defense: pretty small umbrella, SYG expanded that umbrella to loosening of interpretations.
In both cases, the base crime has already been stated. One just tightened the standards, and one loosened it. That's my point.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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Originally posted by unofan View PostBrent.Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
The police, legal system (including the aggregate of judges, juries and lawyers), the legislature, and the legislations authors are all applying this identical 'loose interpretation'. Don't you think that this might be the exact/correct interpretation...and that the articles you read could be either wrong or dishonest?Go Gophers!Comment
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Nope. To someone who's never been in a fist fight, somebody threatening to punch him in the face could easily lead to a 'fear of bodily harm' - could it not? Remember its up to the dude who just killed someone to explain what they're afraid of...Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
If you give someone in a fist fight a green light to kill - then you're a simple spilled drink away from your fig leaf cover for premeditated murder.Go Gophers!Comment
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They could be. In this day and age...who the heck knows? Makes it easier for the cops, that's for sure. Oh, we just interpret it like this, and less paperwork, the law covers us, and we're peons. The judges/etc have to deal with it. Ok, we're done here.Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
Again, the LAW isn't the problem, IMO. It's the real-life usage of said law that is the issue. Goes back to f*ing ourselves b/c of our human failures.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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Well, I got to give you credit for hanging in there.Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostGo Gophers!Comment
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And look back at what Slappy said. He gets my point.Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostNever really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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[QUOTE=Brenthoven;6686336]This. You better be in fear of your actual life and have proof to back up that claim. /QUOTE]
The problem though is what prompted someone to, "Fear for their life" and in this case I think we are disconnected. mho you shouldn't be able to initiate a physical confrontation with someone and then claim, "SYG" if they pull out a weapon. It gives any ahole the right to start **** without fear of retribution.Comment
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Yes, it is up to the person who took what they believed to be self-defensive actions to explain what they did.Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
And they most likely will have to convince twelve peers of their "immediate fear of great bodily harm or death".
Now to your scenario: Just threatening? See Amendment One. The minute the fist is airborne however ...The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Want to kill someone? You don't use a gun. Too dog-whistle.Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
Drive over them, back up to see what you hit, and drive over them again, ... and then before the authorities arrive swig down half a 750 of Jack Daniels: "I was soooo drunk that I didn't know ... "
Any one of the resident scheisters* here will get you off with at most vehicular manslaughter and probation.
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You are standing, not involved with the situation, 20 feet away on the street and witness this: http://www.grandforksherald.com/news...punch-homicideOriginally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
You see the larger men go down by one punch each; you tell the puncher to stop; the puncher turns and take two steps at you ...Last edited by The Sicatoka; 07-25-2018, 07:42 AM.The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Amendment One applies to governments, not people. A government can't arrest you for fighting words, but people can still be put into fear by them.Originally posted by The Sicatoka View PostComment
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