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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    But don't they also "lose" that right if they've never registered at all and they show up on election day not knowing they had to pre-register?
    You're smart enough to understand the difference between never having registered and having an otherwise valid registration rescinded with little or no notice. You're just being maliciously obtuse at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    But don't they also "lose" that right if they've never registered at all and they show up on election day not knowing they had to pre-register?
    That's not the same issue and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    Again..they are losing it if they are not on the rolls and do not know it until the day of the election and they can't register same day...which most can't.
    I get your take on this but disagree. This is akin to if you move and need to re-register to vote, but didn't think to do so. You didn't lose your right to vote. You forgot to register. Two different things.

    So at the end of the day I agree that this is a voter suppression tactic that you wouldn't get if Dems were in power, but by the same token its pretty easy to avoid all this by voting. The fact that they sat out the last several elections when the choices between Dems and Republicans in most races is crystal clear makes me have no sympathy for them. Maybe if people like this take it in the shorts enough they'll wake up and start participating again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    So at the end of the day I agree that this is a voter suppression tactic that you wouldn't get if Dems were in power, but
    No buts. Voter suppression is antithetical to the American ideals we all supposedly believe in. You don't get to victim blame people for being victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I get your take on this but disagree. This is akin to if you move and need to re-register to vote, but didn't think to do so. You didn't lose your right to vote. You forgot to register. Two different things.

    So at the end of the day I agree that this is a voter suppression tactic that you wouldn't get if Dems were in power, but by the same token its pretty easy to avoid all this by voting. The fact that they sat out the last several elections when the choices between Dems and Republicans in most races is crystal clear makes me have no sympathy for them. Maybe if people like this take it in the shorts enough they'll wake up and start participating again.
    It is not akin to it because when you move...you know you need to re-register.
    With this...you may not be told (or be told years before) and then find out when you get there...and have no way to fix it in most places.
    It's voter suppression legalized by the court...that's a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    No buts. Voter suppression is antithetical to the American ideals we all supposedly believe in. You don't get to victim blame people for being victims.
    I can and I will. People need to wake the fuk up and vote Democratic or they get what they deserve. I'm not sure what part of that concept people can't understand. I feel no more sympathy for these people than some numbnuts who voted Trump and now saw his health insurance premiums skyrocket or who can't get expanded Medicaid because he voted for a sh !thead like Scott Walker or Paul LePage. You get who you vote for, or who you choose to allow to be elected by sitting on the sidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    You're smart enough to understand the difference between never having registered and having an otherwise valid registration rescinded with little or no notice. You're just being maliciously obtuse at this point.
    Exactly, he's also ignoring literally every study that shows the impact of these voter suppression efforts (or he cynically wants that to happen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    No buts. Voter suppression is antithetical to the American ideals we all supposedly believe in. You don't get to victim blame people for being victims.
    Oh stop already.

    Voter suppression was American before America existed.

    Who voted from day 1?

    This revisionist stuff is funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Oh stop already.

    Voter suppression was American before America existed.

    Who voted from day 1?

    This revisionist stuff is funny
    "Ideals" and "history" are actually different words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Everything is so politicized right now. I bet if in today's climate a state legislature proposed requiring someone to re-register if they changed their name, (something that's been required for years) most of you and thousands of others would be screeching about how we're trying to deprive disadvantaged groups of the right to vote.

    I don't lobby to make it more difficult to vote, and I think voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That said, I have no problem with what Ohio did to clean up its rolls, and I would not object to a state proposing what I outlined earlier, which is to require re-registration before every election. The fact that I think it would be fine, and even wise, to do that doesn't mean that I'm demanding that it happen or that I'll even be disappointed if it didn't.
    I have no issue if they make same day registration required. It should be easy as heck to re-register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    I have no issue if they make same day registration required. It should be easy as heck to re-register.
    If the goal were truly to make the voter rolls as accurate as possible as close to an election as possible, this would be the obvious solution. But that's not the goal. And SJ knows this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    I have no issue if they make same day registration required. It should be easy as heck to re-register.
    I like same day registration and I definitely think states should go to it.
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    So if OH doesn't switch to same day registration you're against this or....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinCDXX View Post
    "Ideals" and "history" are actually different words.
    how can there be ideals without a basis? if there is not history to base this, then it is almost fantasyland. a fairy tale even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    how can there be ideals without a basis? if there is not history to base this, then it is almost fantasyland. a fairy tale even.
    For ideals to exist they must have been lived up to at some point? I don't know, that seems like a non sequitur to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinCDXX View Post
    For ideals to exist they must have been lived up to at some point? I don't know, that seems like a non sequitur to me.
    one can have dreams... but they again can't be something you wistfully pine for and complain when they don't magically appear. also it's hard to attach "we" and "our" as well. because again, they have yet to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    one can have dreams... but they again can't be something you wistfully pine for and complain when they don't magically appear. also it's hard to attach "we" and "our" as well. because again, they have yet to be.
    Nobody's complaining that they don't magically appear. We are complaining that people who pretend to believe in American ideals actively prevent progress from being made toward them (and in fact push us further away).

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    So if OH doesn't switch to same day registration you're against this or....?
    Of course not.

    Look, same day voter registration is basically election day with training wheels. Most of us manage quite nicely without them, but there are always those few.

    I personally favor same day registration because heaven knows there is a sizable percentage of the electorate whose ability to function in society barely rises above the level of bean dip. But just because Ohio decides they don't want to be so paternalistic doesn't mean I'm going to criticize them for it.
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    Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

    I spend most of my time lurking in the Cafe, thought as an Ohio guy I'd add one tidbit to the mix that hasn't been discussed, that being the rules aren't being applied evenly across the state. Purging of the roles in counties with lots of guys named Billy Ray Jim Bob has not been happening with equal frequency as in counties with lots of people with the last name of Jackson. With this law now codified, the party in power (Republican or Democrat) has a weapon to selectively pick and choose who gets to vote. To me, THAT's the issue, not whether some dotard skipped out on voting in the past 3 elections.

    Back to the sidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Of course not.

    Look, same day voter registration is basically election day with training wheels. Most of us manage quite nicely without them, but there are always those few.

    I personally favor same day registration because heaven knows there is a sizable percentage of the electorate whose ability to function in society barely rises above the level of bean dip. But just because Ohio decides they don't want to be so paternalistic doesn't mean I'm going to criticize them for it.
    No, in fact you're cheering them on for making voting harder.

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