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  • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    could you imagine if the democrats tried to propose taking someone’s guns if they didn’t vote every six years?
    ^^^^^^^^^
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    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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    • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

      Originally posted by unofan View Post
      How would they know to register if they don't know they're no longer on the voting rolls until they show up to vote and can't?
      Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
      I am still waiting for an answer as to why there needs to be voter rolls purged though. What is the big deal? There is no voter fraud so why is it important? It solves no problems but has the potential to cause many...seems like a complete waste of time and effort.
      I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

      We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

      Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

      We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

      All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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      • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
        We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election.
        Let's apply this to the second amendment.
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        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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        • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

          Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
          What amendment says if you don't use a right you lose that right?
          That's why it matters.
          You don't lose a right simply because you chose not to always exercise that right.
          You're not losing the right. I liken it to Handy's example of he chooses not to assemble, then does he lose the right to assemble. My answer was no, but if he has a permit to assemble, it doesn't last forever. If he doesn't use it the municipality can revoke it after a certain amount of time and require that he get a new one. That's not trampling on the Constitution.

          Regarding why in general the voter rolls are updated I would think it has less to do with mythical voter fraud that knuckledraggers are always wheeling out and more to do with more mundane issues such as the cost of contacting voters for mailers and other such updates. I get quite a few of those from the town each year, but if 3 times as many people are on the rolls as who actually live in the town that's a lot of wasted $$$ for people who are no longer around. So the boring question remains, how long do some of you want to keep non-voters on the rolls? Like if someone's a Civil War veteran, can we take them off?
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          • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
            Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

            I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

            We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

            Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

            We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

            All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
            My answer is because there is no need for it. Having the names on the roll doesnt cause any problems. The opposite is not true if you cant same day register. Purging the rolls causes way more issues than not purging the rolls.
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            • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
              Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

              I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

              We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

              Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

              We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

              All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
              We don't do it because history has proven every time you make voting harder, it is always targeted at already disadvantaged groups like minorities and women. And it's always done for partisan advantage; they sell it as anti-fraud so gullible people like yourself will support it even though the measured voter fraud rate is something like 0.0001 percent.
              Last edited by unofan; 06-13-2018, 09:17 AM.

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              • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

                I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

                We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

                Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

                We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

                All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
                This may be a dumb question, but why do you assume that everyone who wants to vote has the same free time that you do, so that you can renew your voting registration on an annual basis? We don't even do that for driver's licences, for crying out loud. The only think we do it for is vehicle registration, and that's pretty easy to do on line.

                Why should we treat voter registration so much differently than everything else? What does that achieve? What do you think gets fixed when you annually purge the voters?

                Seems like a colossal waste of time, and money, and effort to solve nothing. Honestly, are you willing to pay more taxes so that the state can hire people to deal with this on an annual basis?

                Why is it actually lazy to not renew the voter rolls very often? I don't understand that thinking what so ever.

                You want the voter to put more effort into voting, but you end up putting a HUGE burden in the system to do that. That's a waste.

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                • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                  You're not losing the right. I liken it to Handy's example of he chooses not to assemble, then does he lose the right to assemble. My answer was no, but if he has a permit to assemble, it doesn't last forever. If he doesn't use it the municipality can revoke it after a certain amount of time and require that he get a new one. That's not trampling on the Constitution.

                  Regarding why in general the voter rolls are updated I would think it has less to do with mythical voter fraud that knuckledraggers are always wheeling out and more to do with more mundane issues such as the cost of contacting voters for mailers and other such updates. I get quite a few of those from the town each year, but if 3 times as many people are on the rolls as who actually live in the town that's a lot of wasted $$$ for people who are no longer around. So the boring question remains, how long do some of you want to keep non-voters on the rolls? Like if someone's a Civil War veteran, can we take them off?
                  Again..they are losing it if they are not on the rolls and do not know it until the day of the election and they can't register same day...which most can't.
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                  • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

                    Originally posted by unofan View Post
                    We don't do it because history has proven every time you make voting harder, it is always targeted at already disadvantaged groups like minorities and women. And it's always done for partisan advantage; they sell it as anti-fraud so gullible people like yourself will support it even though the measured voter fraud rate is something like 0.0001 percent.
                    Everything is so politicized right now. I bet if in today's climate a state legislature proposed requiring someone to re-register if they changed their name, (something that's been required for years) most of you and thousands of others would be screeching about how we're trying to deprive disadvantaged groups of the right to vote.

                    I don't lobby to make it more difficult to vote, and I think voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That said, I have no problem with what Ohio did to clean up its rolls, and I would not object to a state proposing what I outlined earlier, which is to require re-registration before every election. The fact that I think it would be fine, and even wise, to do that doesn't mean that I'm demanding that it happen or that I'll even be disappointed if it didn't.
                    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                    • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

                      Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
                      Again..they are losing it if they are not on the rolls and do not know it until the day of the election and they can't register same day...which most can't.
                      But don't they also "lose" that right if they've never registered at all and they show up on election day not knowing they had to pre-register?
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                      • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                        But don't they also "lose" that right if they've never registered at all and they show up on election day not knowing they had to pre-register?
                        You're smart enough to understand the difference between never having registered and having an otherwise valid registration rescinded with little or no notice. You're just being maliciously obtuse at this point.

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                        • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                          But don't they also "lose" that right if they've never registered at all and they show up on election day not knowing they had to pre-register?
                          That's not the same issue and you know it.
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                          • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

                            Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
                            Again..they are losing it if they are not on the rolls and do not know it until the day of the election and they can't register same day...which most can't.
                            I get your take on this but disagree. This is akin to if you move and need to re-register to vote, but didn't think to do so. You didn't lose your right to vote. You forgot to register. Two different things.

                            So at the end of the day I agree that this is a voter suppression tactic that you wouldn't get if Dems were in power, but by the same token its pretty easy to avoid all this by voting. The fact that they sat out the last several elections when the choices between Dems and Republicans in most races is crystal clear makes me have no sympathy for them. Maybe if people like this take it in the shorts enough they'll wake up and start participating again.
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                            • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              So at the end of the day I agree that this is a voter suppression tactic that you wouldn't get if Dems were in power, but
                              No buts. Voter suppression is antithetical to the American ideals we all supposedly believe in. You don't get to victim blame people for being victims.

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                              • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                                I get your take on this but disagree. This is akin to if you move and need to re-register to vote, but didn't think to do so. You didn't lose your right to vote. You forgot to register. Two different things.

                                So at the end of the day I agree that this is a voter suppression tactic that you wouldn't get if Dems were in power, but by the same token its pretty easy to avoid all this by voting. The fact that they sat out the last several elections when the choices between Dems and Republicans in most races is crystal clear makes me have no sympathy for them. Maybe if people like this take it in the shorts enough they'll wake up and start participating again.
                                It is not akin to it because when you move...you know you need to re-register.
                                With this...you may not be told (or be told years before) and then find out when you get there...and have no way to fix it in most places.
                                It's voter suppression legalized by the court...that's a problem.
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