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  • #616
    Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    I believe all that but I am not leaving. Your premise is wrong. You may not want to accept that and that is fine but it doesnt change the fact that you are, in fact, wrong. Your little passive aggressive insults towards him (and the rest of us) about it dont help your case either.

    I get what you are saying, and in theory you have a point. In a vacuum what you are saying is 100% true. We dont live in a vacuum though we live in the real world. In a vacuum Communism is a great economic idea...in the real world not so much.

    BTW even if we accepted the fact that you were right (which again you arent) leaving is still not the right thing to do. Those Germans that left during the rise to Hitler only hastened his grip on the country. There wasnt enough resistance because the resistance left. I cant say I blame them but all of Germany was the worse for it. The same would hold true here. Trump and his party ruining this country on a daily basis. You may dismiss that as hyperbole and that is fine but it is how I and many others feel. Talk to people who travel abroad they will tell you what the rest of the world thinks of us these days...if I left I would be allowing that to continue. I wont be part of the problem...

    tl;dr: I dont believe America is the best country in the world. I think there are plenty of places I would rather live for a bevy of reasons. (Health Care, Education, Quality of Life, History...etc.) Just because that is true though doesnt mean I am going to do it. What I think and what is actually possible are two different things.
    I certainly wasn't trying to insult anyone, and I'm not encouraging anyone to leave.

    What I'm kind of getting at is that sometimes when we're trying to think up reasons for why we can't go somewhere or do something else, what we're really doing is reaffirming (intentionally or otherwise) how pretty good we have it, and should cause us to question whether we really do wish we could live somewhere else.
    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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    • #617
      Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

      Two tweets that made me smile this morning:





      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
      -aparch

      "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
      -INCH

      Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
      -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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      • #618
        Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
        But don't you think that if Scooby really believed this country was a dangerous or horrible place to live, that if he really believed this country is on its way to nazi Germany status, that if he really believed there were better educational, economic and living conditions elsewhere for both him and his family, that he would pretty much walk through he!! to make that happen for his family?

        I think he would. The fact that he isn't, and won't, pretty much confirms for me that the whole "geez I wished I lived in another country" shtick is just that. Just another method of biatching and whining.
        Wrong, kiddo. We stay to prevent it from becoming Nazi Germany.

        I don't think you're a Nazi, but I do think your ideology is blinding you to the terrible damage your side is doing right now. Damage which could result, BTW, in a leftwing dictatorship just as easily as a rightwing one. When your friends the happy little f-cktards dynamite the walls, god only know who will walk in. It could as easily be a Chavez as a Pinochet. Careful what you wish for.

        It seems to me the difference between you and me is I don't want either while you'll take tyranny as long as it's your team.
        Last edited by Kepler; 06-05-2018, 08:30 AM.
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        • #619
          Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          Two tweets that made me smile this morning:





          Cris Carter. Always will be one of my faves. I know he rubs some the wrong way but I never waver.
          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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          • #620
            Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
            Cris Carter. Always will be one of my faves. I know he rubs some the wrong way but I never waver.
            That is brilliant.

            He really should, with Jimmy and Dubya on the grill and George Sr. as the guest emeritus. Dumpity dump dump can go f-ck himself. He's only in our house temporarily because Putin picked the lock.

            Obama, like all our living Presidents, is Mr. President.




            Dump will never be president of anything but his own pathetic fan club.
            Last edited by Kepler; 06-05-2018, 08:35 AM.
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            • #621
              Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              Cris Carter. Always will be one of my faves. I know he rubs some the wrong way but I never waver.
              I met him...he was a d-bag when he played but still one of my all time favorite players.
              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
              -aparch

              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
              -INCH

              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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              • #622
                Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                I certainly wasn't trying to insult anyone, and I'm not encouraging anyone to leave.

                What I'm kind of getting at is that sometimes when we're trying to think up reasons for why we can't go somewhere or do something else, what we're really doing is reaffirming (intentionally or otherwise) how pretty good we have it, and should cause us to question whether we really do wish we could live somewhere else.
                You are missing the whole point. Nobody wants to leave. We're just saying it's awful having to share this place with... well, you know.

                But you're correct in saying it's not precise to say "I'd rather live in x." It may well be better to live in x, but I'd rather we stay here and take out the trash.
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                • #623
                  Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  I met him...he was a d-bag when he played but still one of my all time favorite players.
                  So I guess that's not the X Files guy?
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                  • #624
                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    That is brilliant.

                    He really should, with Jimmy and Dubya on the grill and George Sr. as the guest emeritus. Dumpity dump dump can go f-ck himself. He's only in our house temporarily because Putin picked the lock.

                    Obama, like all our living Presidents, is Mr. President.




                    Dump will never be president of anything but his own pathetic fan club.
                    That is one good group of guys there.
                    a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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                    • #625
                      Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                      Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                      only due to your rose colored glasses

                      philly is always the worst.
                      Philly was always second. Now they're third.

                      It is a testament to the magnitude of Dumpy's f-ckwittery that Boston isn't the worst anymore. I'd rather Boston -- the entire basket of repellent imbeciles -- was in the White House than the current resident.
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                      • #626
                        Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Wrong, kiddo. We stay to prevent it from becoming Nazi Germany.

                        I don't think you're a Nazi, but I do think your ideology is blinding you to the terrible damage your side is doing right now. Damage which could result, BTW, in a leftwing dictatorship just as easily as a rightwing one. When your friends the happy little f-cktards dynamite the walls, god only know who will walk in. It could as easily be a Chavez as a Pinochet. Careful what you wish for.

                        It seems to me the difference between you and me is I don't want either while you'll take tyranny as long as it's your team.
                        I don't think you have a very clear understanding of me or my beliefs. I don't blame you for that. I don't think social media or message boards like these are a great place to really come to understand people.

                        My belief system is really that of the core North Dakota political belief system dating back to before statehood. It's basically a progressive belief that government can and should be there to help the citizens. We're progressives, but we're minimalist progressives. Just because it's a great idea that we created a state owned mill and elevator to protect us from the grain barons of Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't mean that we believe all mills and elevators in the state should be under the thumb of the state government. Just because we formed our own state bank to protect us from Wall Street doesn't mean that we should nationalize banks or make it impossible for the Wall Street and other banking boys to try to make a buck. It is that true belief in a very basic safety net, of a neighbor helping a neighbor in a time of need, but I'm not just going to do your work for you.

                        What's different about us, though, is that when we use terms like "minimalist" and "basic," we mean it.

                        I don't like people telling me what to do. I don't care what team they play for.
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • #627
                          Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                          That is one good group of guys there.
                          Some real sh-tty policies but, yes, those are all individually good people.

                          To be fair, Hillary doesn't belong with them, either.

                          But Dumpy isn't fit to clean their toilets with his tongue.
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                          • #628
                            Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                            I don't think you have a very clear understanding of me or my beliefs. I don't blame you for that. I don't think social media or message boards like these are a great place to really come to understand people.

                            My belief system is really that of the core North Dakota political belief system dating back to before statehood. It's basically a progressive belief that government can and should be there to help the citizens. We're progressives, but we're minimalist progressives. Just because it's a great idea that we created a state owned mill and elevator to protect us from the grain barons of Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't mean that we believe all mills and elevators in the state should be under the thumb of the state government. Just because we formed our own state bank to protect us from Wall Street doesn't mean that we should nationalize banks or make it impossible for the Wall Street and other banking boys to try to make a buck. It is that true belief in a very basic safety net, of a neighbor helping a neighbor in a time of need, but I'm not just going to do your work for you.

                            What's different about us, though, is that when we use terms like "minimalist" and "basic," we mean it.

                            I don't like people telling me what to do. I don't care what team they play for.
                            You have been trained well. "I don't like people telling me what to do so I'm disbanding the police."

                            And when the police are gone the criminals just walk all over you.

                            Oh, but it was your choice!

                            Government isn't the only enemy out there. There are always two beasts prowling -- the strong and the community will. Freedom's just another word for using each to keep the other at bay.

                            Democratic rule is the tyranny of the majority; rule by the rich is totalitarian plutocracy. When they reside in the same people, as they have been trending towards since Saint Ronnie, it's fascism. You've been wound up as a toy to burn with rage against one of the two forces which, if kept in tension, ensure our freedom by negating each other's drive to exploit us. By cutting the tendons of the former you are ensuring domination by the latter, and you call that "liberty" because the 1%'s think tanks and pundits have been churning out propaganda 24/7 for the last 50 years to turn your resentment into Useful Idiocy.

                            I'm not asking you to love my side. I'm asking you to take your first clear-eyed look at your side.

                            They are not your friends.
                            Last edited by Kepler; 06-05-2018, 08:57 AM.
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                            • #629
                              Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                              None of the Eagles kneeled for the anthem, but that didn't stop Fox News from using a picture of Ertz kneeling during prayer for their story.
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                              • #630
                                Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

                                Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                                None of the Eagles kneeled for the anthem, but that didn't stop Fox News from using a picture of Ertz kneeling during prayer for their story.
                                Because they're liars and their audience are easily misled morons.

                                But maybe I'm being too subtle.
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