POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

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Jesus, you really are an idiot, aren't you?

There is a process for declassifying stuff, even when a president orders it so. Yes, the president can declassify stuff. That doesn't mean he can do so just by talking about it. He still needs to order it through the proper declassification process.

I won't argue with you; I'll point you to Politifact:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...y-anything-an/

We found broad agreement that a president, using powers granted by the Constitution, is able to declassify essentially anything. However, experts added that Risch’s comment was not entirely on point for the particular situation involving Trump.

In this case, it appears Trump didn’t actually use his declassification power before talking to the Russian officials, and just because Trump’s actions were legal doesn’t necessarily mean they were wise. These caveats add nuance to analyses of what Trump did.

So, like I said then:

Happy about it? No.
Illegal? No.
Smart? No. ...

So fix the law.

[rufus]

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Trump didn’t actually use his declassification power

All you need to know.


Didn't use the authority he has under the Constitution before blabbing to the Russians. Hence, revealed classified intel. Hence broke the law.


Just keep making excuses for the man "you don't support". Wonder how intolerable you'd be if you actually "supported" him.

[Kepler]

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I won't argue with you; I'll point you to Politifact:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...y-anything-an/



So, like I said then:

Happy about it? No.
Illegal? No.
Smart? No. ...

So fix the law.

This is way, way more complicated than you would think. The entire power of the Intelligence Community springs from the President's Executive Authority -- in fact, from his power to issue Executive Orders.

You're entering metaphysical territory: "is a President so powerful he can create an Order than he cannot break?"

Ordinarily I would say let SCOTUS fight it out but the conservative Court majority is so ideological and so juridically unimpressive that I'd prefer they not break ground on anything.

[The Sicatoka]

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All you need to know.


Didn't use the authority he has under the Constitution before blabbing to the Russians. Hence, revealed classified intel. Hence broke the law.

No.

You skipped the part that follows: "Trump’s actions were legal."

That legality has me saying fix the law.

[The Sicatoka]

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You're entering metaphysical territory: "is a President so powerful he can create an Order than he cannot break?"

Can Congress make a law, in alignment with Executive powers, that can restrain the President's actions?

[dxmnkd316]

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So Roseanne claims it was the Ambien talking, eh? And what do the makers of Ambien say?

People of all races, religions and nationalities work at Sanofi every day to improve the lives of people around the world. While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.

— Sanofi US (@SanofiUS) May 30, 2018

Game. Blouses.

Holy ****. That broke statcast.

[rufus]

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No.

You skipped the part that follows: "Trump’s actions were legal."

That legality has me saying fix the law.

Says an op-d using sources like Republicans, and other Washington think tanks where you have no idea what their political biases are. Yeah, sure, we'll just take what they say as gospel. Let's take it to the courts, and see what they say.


I thought you were the one who didn't trust the media?
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[rufus]

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No.

You skipped the part that follows: "Trump’s actions were legal."

That legality has me saying fix the law.

You cherry-picked a source that supported your view that the president is guiltless. Good job.

Expected nothing less from a Trump water carrier.

[alfablue]

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Can Congress make a law, in alignment with Executive powers, that can restrain the President's actions?

Yes. They do it all the time- they are generally called regulations. Congress passes laws, the president is tasked to enforce them. He/She can not make up new laws that they can then go out and do- for instance, he can't order torture, as congress has passed laws that restrict what the CIA is supposed to to. Even though the CIA is part of the executive branch.

How do you not know that?

edit- nice edit Sic. Take the post right down.

[BassAle]

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Dude, roll back a few pages.

I said there should be articles of impeachment drawn up for his blatant disregard of telecommunications security protocols (regarding periodic change-out of his iPhone*). I believe blatant disregard of national security process is a "high crime or misdemeanor" per Article II, Section 4.

Where are the members of the US House (that are otherwise calling for it) when this is clearly laying there.


To your other point, yeah, like it or not, once he declassifies it, it is what it is. Get the law changed is the remedy.


*At least he ditched the device with an unsecurable version of Android.

make sure your rep knows how you feel about this. They need to feel pressured to jump off the Trump Train.

[The Sicatoka]

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make sure your rep knows how you feel about this. They need to feel pressured to jump off the Trump Train.

My Senator (one of them) is jumping ONTO the Trump Train.
Here I was thinking of voting for incumbent Sen Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND) instead of her opponent Rep Kevin Cramer (R-ND) this fall.

https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entr...-donald-trump/

The other Senator is an R and my rep is Cramer.


One guy running for Cramer's seat in the House is Mac Schneider (D), former center on the UND 2001 NCAA DII football title team.

[Slap Shot]

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Asked what Trump’s reaction was to Roseanne, Sarah Sanders said yesterday:

"The president is focused on North Korea. He’s focused on trade deals. And he’s focused on rebuilding our military, the economy. And that’s what he’s spending his time on; not responding to other things." pic.twitter.com/orT2ZbdGlb

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 30, 2018

I know the Tchump tweet was already noted but the follow-up is priceless. Neither one of them can stop lying.

[Kepler]

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Fun with the Dumpies.

[French Rage]

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Asked what Trump’s reaction was to Roseanne, Sarah Sanders said yesterday:

"The president is focused on North Korea. He’s focused on trade deals. And he’s focused on rebuilding our military, the economy. And that’s what he’s spending his time on; not responding to other things." pic.twitter.com/orT2ZbdGlb

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 30, 2018

I know the Tchump tweet was already noted but the follow-up is priceless. Neither one of them can stop lying.

LOL x 1000

[St. Clown]

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Asked what Trump’s reaction was to Roseanne, Sarah Sanders said yesterday:

"The president is focused on North Korea. He’s focused on trade deals. And he’s focused on rebuilding our military, the economy. And that’s what he’s spending his time on; not responding to other things." pic.twitter.com/orT2ZbdGlb

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 30, 2018

I know the Tchump tweet was already noted but the follow-up is priceless. Neither one of them can stop lying.

I cut Sanders some slack here. She has to roll out the company li(n)e, and the question was asked before Trump sent out the Tweet completely discrediting her statement. Again.