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    Available lists announced by the National Hockey League for its 2000 expansion draft, to be held on Friday, June 23 in Calgary (Columbus Blue Jackets and Minnesota Wild will select 26 players each, two from each NHL club except the Nashville Predators and the Atlanta Thrashers):

    Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Forwards -- Frank Banham, Ted Donato, Stu Grimson, Tony Hrkac, Tobias Johansson, Peter Leboutillier, Tommi Miettinen, Kip Miller, Jeff Nielsen, Jeremy Stevenson, Tony Tuzzolino, Bob Wren. Defencemen -- Timo Ahmaoja, Ladislav Benysek, Mike Crowley, Scott Ferguson, Kevin Haller, Dean Malkoc, Fredrik Olausson, Lloyd Shaw, Pascal Trepanier, Nikolai Tsulygin. Goalies -- Tom Askey, Guy Hebert, Corey Hirsch, Dominic Roussel, Blaine Russell.

    Boston Bruins Forwards -- Shawn Bates, Ken Belanger, Aaron Downey, Peter Ferraro, Steve Heinze, Joe Hulbig, Dimitri Kvartalnov, Antti Laaksonen, Cameron Mann, Peter Nordstrom, Sean Pronger, Joel Prpic, Anders Soderberg, Joel Trottier, Landon Wilson, Jeff Zehr. Defencemen -- Elias Abrahamsson, Johnathan Aitken, Shane Belter, Vratislav Cech, Mike Matteucci, Keith McCambridge, Marty McSorley, Brandon Smith, Don Sweeney, Mattias Timander, Denis Timofeev, Eric Van Acker, Sergei Zhukov. Goalies -- Robbie Tallas.

    Buffalo Sabres Forwards -- Stu Barnes, Eric Boulton, Randy Cunneyworth, Matt Davidson, Mark Dutiaume, Craig Fisher, Doug Gilmour, Denis Hamel, Paul Kruse, Scott Nichol, Domenic Pittis, Rob Ray, Geoff Sanderson, Chris Taylor, Vladimir Tsyplakov, Dixon Ward. Defencemen -- J-Luc Grand-Pierre, Jason Holland, Doug Houda, Mike Hurlbut, James Patrick, Richard Smehlik, Jason Woolley. Goalies -- Dwayne Roloson

    Calgary Flames Forwards -- Jason Botterill, Marc Bureau, Jeff Cowan, Steve Dubinsky, Benoit Gratton, Andreas Johansson, Mattias Johansson, Esa Keskinen, Sergei Krivokrasov, Jan Labraaten, Jesper Mattsson, Marty Murray, Dave Roche, Martin St. Louis, Josef Straka, John Tripp, Sergei Zolotov. Defencemen -- Eric Charron, Bobby Dollas, Johan Finnstrom, Filip Kuba, Stewart Malgunas, Fredrik Oduya, Pavel Rajnoha, Dimitri Riabykin, Darryl Shannon, Steve Smith, Lee Sorochan, Brad Werenka. Goalies -- Grant Fuhr, Tyrone Garner, Andrei Trefilov.

    Carolina Hurricanes Forwards -- Eric Dandenault, Jeff Daniels, Gilbert Dionne, Martin Gelinas, Dimitri Gorenko, Andrei Kovalenko, Robert Kron, Mike Morrone, Andrei Petrunin, Askhat Rakhmatullin, Byron Ritchie, Todd Simon, Kevin Smyth. Defencemen -- Steve Bancroft, Paul Coffey, Len Esau, Sergei Fedotov, Hugh Hamilton, Dave Karpa, Curtis Leschyshyn, Mike Rucinski. Goalies -- Mark Fitzpatrick, Marc Magliarditi.

    Chicago Blackhawks Forwards -- Blair Atcheynum, Jeff Christian, Jeff Daw, Chris Herperger, David Ling, Josef Marha, Ed Olczyk, Nathan Perrott, Derek Plante, Bob Probert. Defencemen -- Radim Bicanek, Ted Crowley, Kevin Dean, Dallas Eakins, Todd Rohloff, Marty Wilford, Doug Zmolek. Goalies -- Marc Lamothe, Erasmo Saltarelli.

    Colorado Avalanche Forwards -- Dave Andreychuk, Serge Aubin, Tomi Hirvonen, Mikael Johansson, Christian Matte, Jeff Odgers, Dave Reid, Rob Shearer. Defencemen -- Jason Bowen, Greg De Vries, Michael Gaul, Alexei Gusarov, Sami Helenius, Eric Messier, Dan Smith. Goalies -- David Aebischer, Frederic Cassivi, Kai Fischer, Petr Franek, Rick Tabaracci.

    Dallas Stars Forwards -- Guy Carbonneau, Kelly Fairchild, Sergei Luchinkin, Warren Luhning, Chris Murray, Brian Skrudland, Scott Thornton, Jamie Wright. Defencemen -- Frederic Bouchard, Joel Bouchard, Shawn Chambers, Sylvain Cote, Alan Letang, Dave Manson, Matt Martin, Evgeny Petrochinin, Jamie Pushor, Mark Wotton. Goalies -- Chad Alban, Mike Bales.

    Detroit Red Wings Forwards -- Pavel Agarkov, Doug Brown, David Engblom, Johan Forsander, Brent Gilchrist, Alexandre Jacques, Joe Kocur, Darryl Laplante, Igor Larionov, Stacy Roest, Anatoly Ustugov, Pat Verbeek, B.J. Young. Defencemen -- Todd Gill, Yan Golubovsky, Uwe Krupp, Maxim Kuznetsov, Larry Murphy. Goalies -- David Arsenault, Manny Legace, Ken Wregget.

    Edmonton Oilers Forwards -- Kevin Brown, Jozef Cierny, Patrick Cote, Boyd Devereaux, Jim Dowd, Ralph Intranuovo, Dan Lacouture, Rob Murray, Michel Picard, Martin Reichel, Keijo Sailynoja, Alexander Selivanov, Jussi Tarvainen, German Titov, Alexander Volchkov, Vladimir Vorobiev. Defencemen -- Adam Bennett, Brett Hauer, Frantisek Musil, Alain Nasreddine, Sami Nuutinen, Bert Robertsson, Reijo Ruotsalainen, Alexander Zhurik, Lukas Zib. Goalies -- Mike Minard, Bill Ranford, Kay Whitmore.

    Florida Panthers Forwards -- Len Barrie, Paul Brousseau, Chad Cabana, Dave Duerden, Alex Hicks, Craig Reichert, Ray Sheppard, Cam Stewart, Rocky Thompson. Defencemen -- Lance Pitlick, Brent Thompson, Jeff Ware. Goalies -- Ryan Bach, Sean Gauthier, Denis Khloptonov, Mikhail Shtalenkov, Rich Shulmistra, Mike Vernon.

    Los Angeles Kings Forwards -- Eric Belanger, Dan Bylsma, Bob Corkum, Allan Egeland, Nelson Emerson, Craig Johnson, Nathan Lafayette, Steve McKenna, Igor Melyakov, Jason Morgan, Jason Podollan, Pavel Rosa, Mikael Simons, John Thomas, Jukka Tiilikainen, Marko Tuomainen, Juha Vuorivirta, Magnus Wernblom. Defencemen -- Philippe Boucher, Rich Brennan, Garry Galley, Dave MacIsaac, Jaroslav Modry, Jan Nemecek, Sean O'Donnell, Martin Strebak. Goalies -- Marcel Cousineau, Michael O'Neill, Steve Passmore, Travis Scott.

    Montreal Canadiens Forwards -- Niklas Anger, Jesse Belanger, Shayne Corson, Jim Cummins, Craig Darby, Jonathan Delisle, Matt Higgins, Arto Kuki, Trent McCleary, Boyd Olson, Oleg Petrov, Patrick Poulin, Terry Ryan, Kim Staal, Turner Stevenson, Peter Strom, Timo Vertala. Defencemen -- Byron Briske, Matthieu Descoteaux, Karl Dykhuis, Miloslav Guren, Scott Lachance, Christian Laflamme, Mike McBain, Barry Richter, Stephane Robidas, Eric Weinrich. Goalies -- Frederic Chabot, Eric Fichaud, Kevin Hodson.

    New Jersey Devils Forwards -- Jiri Bicek, Steve Brule, Sylvain Cloutier, Steve Kelly, Sasha Lakovic, Claude Lemieux, Sergei Nemchinov, Richard Rochefort, Rob Skrlac, Steve Staios, Ed Ward, Jeff Williams, Dody Wood, Nikolai Zavarukhin. Defencemen -- Brad Bombardir, Vladimir Malakhov, Pasi Petrilainen, Deron Quint, Ken Sutton. Goalies -- Mike Buzak, Frederic Henry, Chris Terreri.

    New York Islanders Forwards -- Ted Drury, Mark Lawrence. Defencemen -- Ian Herbers. Goalies -- Wade Flaherty.

    New York Rangers Forwards -- Derek Armstrong, Alexandre Daigle, Christian Dube, Ken Gernander, Daniel Goneau, Valeri Kamensky, Christopher Kenady F, Radoslav Kropac, Alexei Lazarenko, John MacLean, Brad Smyth, Kevin Stevens, P.J. Stock, Dmitri Subbotin, Rudolf Vercik, Chris Wells. Defencemen -- Drew Bannister, Ilja Gorohov, Kevin Hatcher, Rich Pilon, Ola Sandberg, Mathieu Schneider, Terry Virtue, David Wilkie. Goalies -- Milan Hnilicka, Jean-Francois Labbe, Kirk McLean, Vitali Yeremeyev.

    Ottawa Senators Forwards -- Viacheslav Butsayev, Ivan Ciernik, Kevin Dineen, Colin Forbes, David Hruska, Joe Juneau, Kevin Miller, Yves Sarault, Andy Schneider, Jeff Shevalier, Shaun Van Allen, Rob Zamuner. Defencemen -- Erich Goldmann, Kevin Grimes, John Gruden, Igor Kravchuk, Grant Ledyard, David Van Drunen. Goalies -- Tom Barrasso, Mike Fountain, Rich Parent.

    Philadelphia Flyers Forwards -- Craig Berube, Travis Brigley, Martin Cerven, Jody Hull, Mark Janssens, Keith Jones, Mike Maneluk, Steve McLaren, Jim Montgomery, Sean O'Brien, Ruslan Shafikov, Radovan Somik, Martin Streit, Rick Tocchet, Steve Washburn, Peter White, Todd White, Valeri Zelepukin. Defencemen -- Artem Anisimov, Adam Burt, Jeff Lank, Dean Melanson, Ulf Samuelsson. Goalies -- Per-Ragnar Bergqvist, Neil Little, John Vanbiesbrouck.

    Phoenix Coyotes Forwards -- Greg Adams, Philippe Audet, Louie Debrusk, Dallas Drake, Tavis Hansen, Benoit Hogue, Eric Houde, Steven King, Frederik Loven, Craig Mills, David Oliver, Kevin Sawyer, Mike Sullivan, Shayne Toporowski, Jean-Guy Trudel. Defencemen -- Trent Cull, Jean-Jacques Daigneault, Dan Focht, Sean Gagnon, Chris Joseph, Francois Leroux, Per Anton Lundstrom, Sean McCann, Lyle Odelein, Brad Tiley. Goalies -- Sean Burke, Sylvain Daigle, Bob Essensa, Henrik Smangs.

    Pittsburgh Penguins Forwards -- Jan Alinc, Josef Beranek, Dennis Bonvie, Rob Brown, Tom Chorske, Pat Falloon, Mikhail Kazakevich, Jiri Kucera, Stephen Leach, Ian Moran, Timo Seikkula, Mika Valila, Tyler Wright, Boris Zelenko. Defencemen -- Stefan Bergqvist, Jonas Andersson-Junkka, Peter Popovic, John Slaney, Dan Trebil. Goalies -- Tyler Moss, Peter Skudra, Ron Tugnutt.

    St. Louis Blues Forwards -- Bob Bassen, Derek Bekar, Sylvain Blouin, Jim Campbell, Kelly Chase, Mike Eastwood, Derek King, Reed Low, Tyson Nash, Scott Pellerin, Andrei Petrakov, Pascal Rheaume, Stephane Richer, Stephane Roy, Tore Vikingstad. Defencemen -- Marc Bergevin, Vladimir Chebaturkin, Dave Ellett, Jeff Finley, Edvin Frylen, Yuri Gunko, Bryan Helmer, Dan Keczmer, Ricard Persson, Dmitri Plekhanov, Rudy Poeschek, Libor Prochazka, Darren Rumble, Matt Smith. Goalies -- Jamie McLennan.

    San Jose Sharks Forwards -- Michal Bros, Adam Colagiacomo, Mike Craig, Jarrett Deuling, Doug Friedman, Tony Granato, Eric Landry, Dave Lowry, Stephane Matteau, Brantt Myhres, Peter Roed, Jarrod Skalde, Ron Stern, Ron Sutter. Defencemen -- Chris Armstrong, Jon Coleman, Angel Nikolov, Jeff Norton, Bob Rouse. Goalies -- Jonas Forsberg, Terry Friesen, John Nabokov.

    Tampa Bay Lightning Forwards -- Shawn Burr, Xavier Delisle, Bruce Gardiner, Dan Kesa, Steve Martins, Robert Petrovicky, Reid Simpson, Pavel Torgaev. Defencemen -- Jassen Cullimore, Bryan Muir, Jason Robinson. Goalies -- Zac Bierk, Dieter Kochan, Daren Puppa.
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    Tony hrkac? Wow!

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    Toronto Maple Leafs Forwards -- Kevyn Adams, Lonny Bohonos, Jason Bonsignore, Aaron Brand, Wendel Clark, Mark Deyell, Kris King, Don MacLean, Alyn McCauley, Marek Melenovsky, David Nemirovsky, Ryan Pepperall, Shawn Thornton, Garry Valk, Brian Wiseman. Defencemen -- Greg Andrusak, Bryan Berard, Nathan Dempsey, Gerald Diduck, Tommi Rajamaki, Terran Sandwith, D.J. Smith. Goalies -- Glenn Healy, Francis Larivee, Jimmy Waite.

    Vancouver Canucks Forwards -- Hakan Ahlund, Jevgeni Babariko, Brian Bonin, Paul Ferone, Martin Gendron, Roger Hansson, Darby Hendrickson, Brad May, Mark Messier, Steffan Nilsson, Lubomir Vaic, Harry York. Defencemen -- Roger Akerstrom, Chad Allan, Greg Hawgood, Karri Kivi, Chris O'Sullivan, Brent Sopel. Goalies -- Tim Keyes, Corey Schwab, Garth Snow.

    Washington Capitals Forwards -- Mike Eagles, Miika Elomo, Trevor Halverson, Jim McKenzie, Barrie Moore, Ryan Mulhern, Joe Murphy, Jeff Nelson, Michal Pivonka, Joe Sacco, Jeff Toms, Stefan Ustorf, Terry Yake. Defencemen -- Nolan Baumgartner, Patrick Boileau, Jamie Huscroft, Dmitri Mironov, Oleg Orekhovsky, Steve Poapst, Rob Zettler, Sergei Zimakov. Goalies -- Stephane Beauregard, Craig Billington, Martin Brochu, Sebastien Charpentier.
    Here's who was taken:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Expansion_Draft
    1. Rick Tabaracci (G) Colorado Avalanche Columbus Blue Jackets
    2. Jamie McLennan (G) St. Louis Blues Minnesota Wild
    3. Mike Vernon (G) Florida Panthers Minnesota Wild
    4. Frederic Chabot (G) Montreal Canadiens Columbus Blue Jackets
    5. Dwayne Roloson (G) Buffalo Sabres Columbus Blue Jackets
    6. Chris Terreri (G) New Jersey Devils Minnesota Wild
    7. Sean O'Donnell (D) Los Angeles Kings Minnesota Wild
    8. Mattias Timander (D) Boston Bruins Columbus Blue Jackets
    9. Bert Robertsson (D) Edmonton Oilers Columbus Blue Jackets
    10. Curtis Leschyshyn (D) Carolina Hurricanes Minnesota Wild
    11. Tommi Rajamaki (D) Toronto Maple Leafs Columbus Blue Jackets
    12. Ladislav Benysek (D) Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Minnesota Wild
    13. Chris Armstrong (D) San Jose Sharks Minnesota Wild
    14. Jamie Pushor (D) Dallas Stars Columbus Blue Jackets
    15. Filip Kuba (D) Calgary Flames Minnesota Wild
    16. Lyle Odelein (D) Phoenix Coyotes Columbus Blue Jackets
    17. Radim Bicanek (D) Chicago Blackhawks Columbus Blue Jackets
    18. Oleg Orekhovsky (D) Washington Capitals Minnesota Wild
    19. Mathieu Schneider (D) New York Rangers Columbus Blue Jackets
    20. Ian Herbers (D) New York Islanders Minnesota Wild
    21. Artem Anisimov (D) Philadelphia Flyers Minnesota Wild
    22. Jonas Junkka (D) Pittsburgh Penguins Columbus Blue Jackets
    23. Geoff Sanderson (LW) Buffalo Sabres Columbus Blue Jackets
    24. Stacy Roest (C) Detroit Red Wings Minnesota Wild
    25. Darryl Laplante (C) Detroit Red Wings Minnesota Wild
    26. Turner Stevenson (RW) Montreal Canadiens Columbus Blue Jackets
    27. Scott Pellerin (LW) St. Louis Blues Minnesota Wild
    28. Robert Kron (C) Carolina Hurricanes Columbus Blue Jackets
    29. Steve Heinze (RW) Boston Bruins Columbus Blue Jackets
    30. Jim Dowd (C) Edmonton Oilers Minnesota Wild
    31. Tyler Wright (C) Pittsburgh Penguins Columbus Blue Jackets
    32. Sergei Krivokrasov (RW) Calgary Flames Minnesota Wild
    33. Jeff Nielsen (RW) Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Minnesota Wild
    34. Kevyn Adams (C) Toronto Maple Leafs Columbus Blue Jackets
    35. Jeff Odgers (RW) Colorado Avalanche Minnesota Wild
    36. Dmitri Subbotin (F) New York Rangers Columbus Blue Jackets
    37. Steve McKenna (F) Los Angeles Kings Minnesota Wild
    38. Dallas Drake (RW) Phoenix Coyotes Columbus Blue Jackets
    39. Bruce Gardiner (C) Tampa Bay Lightning Columbus Blue Jackets
    40. Michal Bros (F) San Jose Sharks Minnesota Wild
    41. Joe Juneau (C) Ottawa Senators Minnesota Wild
    42. Barrie Moore (LW) Washington Capitals Columbus Blue Jackets
    43. Darby Hendrickson (C) Vancouver Canucks Minnesota Wild
    44. Martin Streit (F) Philadelphia Flyers Columbus Blue Jackets
    45. Kevin Dineen (RW) Ottawa Senators Columbus Blue Jackets
    46. Jeff Daw (C) Chicago Blackhawks Minnesota Wild
    47. Jeff Williams (LW) New Jersey Devils Columbus Blue Jackets
    48. Stefan Nilsson (F) Vancouver Canucks Minnesota Wild
    49. Zac Bierk (G) Tampa Bay Lightning Minnesota Wild
    50. Sergei Luchinkin (RW) Dallas Stars Columbus Blue Jackets
    51. Cam Stewart (LW) Florida Panthers Minnesota Wild
    52. Ted Drury (C) New York Islanders Columbus Blue Jackets
    Hindsight 20/20... who do you draft?

    This looks to be roughly the same. Third/Fourth line guys. A couple long in the tooth overpaid goalies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aparch View Post
    Here's who was taken:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Expansion_Draft

    Hindsight 20/20... who do you draft?

    This looks to be roughly the same. Third/Fourth line guys. A couple long in the tooth overpaid goalies.
    Yeah, you're right, Darby Hendrickson=James Neal. Jamie McClennan=Marc-Andre Fluery.

    McPhee and and Vegas deserve a lot of credit for taking advantage of the expansion rules, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's in any way equal to what previous teams had to chose from.

    Oh, and I disliked the Tuch trade from the beginning. Most Wild fans did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
    Yeah, you're right, Darby Hendrickson=James Neal. Jamie McClennan=Marc-Andre Fluery.

    McPhee and and Vegas deserve a lot of credit for taking advantage of the expansion rules, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's in any way equal to what previous teams had to chose from.

    Oh, and I disliked the Tuch trade from the beginning. Most Wild fans did.
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    And here's one that both Minnesota and Columbus whiffed on in that draft:
    Calgary Flames Forwards -- Jason Botterill, Marc Bureau, Jeff Cowan, Steve Dubinsky, Benoit Gratton, Andreas Johansson, Mattias Johansson, Esa Keskinen, Sergei Krivokrasov, Jan Labraaten, Jesper Mattsson, Marty Murray, Dave Roche, Martin St. Louis, Josef Straka, John Tripp, Sergei Zolotov. Defencemen -- Eric Charron, Bobby Dollas, Johan Finnstrom, Filip Kuba, Stewart Malgunas, Fredrik Oduya, Pavel Rajnoha, Dimitri Riabykin, Darryl Shannon, Steve Smith, Lee Sorochan, Brad Werenka. Goalies -- Grant Fuhr, Tyrone Garner, Andrei Trefilov.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottK View Post
    And here's one that both Minnesota and Columbus whiffed on in that draft:
    Everyone missed on him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
    Yeah, you're right, Darby Hendrickson=James Neal. Jamie McClennan=Marc-Andre Fluery.

    McPhee and and Vegas deserve a lot of credit for taking advantage of the expansion rules, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's in any way equal to what previous teams had to chose from.

    Oh, and I disliked the Tuch trade from the beginning. Most Wild fans did.

    There are exceptions sure...but no one called Karlsson a 40 goal guy and Haula had not been anywhere close to a near 30 goal guy.
    As for Tuch...he looked lost here in his short stint amd didn't even start the year with Vegas.
    Tuch was also the price paid to make sure the Wild kept Dumba/Staal and likely one of Nino/Granlund who would ne traded for cap issues.
    The Wild were in a bad way no matter what they did.
    Vegas plays as a team/buy into their coach and with chips on their shoulders...that's why they are where they are...not because they were gifted a contender.

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    Tony hrkac? Wow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    There are exceptions sure...but no one called Karlsson a 40 goal guy and Haula had not been anywhere close to a near 30 goal guy.
    As for Tuch...he looked lost here in his short stint amd didn't even start the year with Vegas.
    Tuch was also the price paid to make sure the Wild kept Dumba/Staal and likely one of Nino/Granlund who would ne traded for cap issues.
    The Wild were in a bad way no matter what they did.
    Vegas plays as a team/buy into their coach and with chips on their shoulders...that's why they are where they are...not because they were gifted a contender.
    They would have been able to protect Dumba and Staal (Nino and Granlund were both protected) under previous expansion rules, and not had to make a trade to keep them. That's the point.

    Nobody is taking away credit from the players or Gallant (he should be a unanimous decision to win the Jack Adams). They are where they are because of themselves. But, it's disingenuous to pretend they didn't have a head start (thanks to the owners), that others didn't. Think of it as Vegas privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
    They would have been able to protect Dumba and Staal (Nino and Granlund were both protected) under previous expansion rules, and not had to make a trade to keep them. That's the point.

    Nobody is taking away credit from the players or Gallant (he should be a unanimous decision to win the Jack Adams). They are where they are because of themselves. But, it's disingenuous to pretend they didn't have a head start (thanks to the owners), that others didn't. Think of it as Vegas privilege.
    And if they finished last (where they were predicted)...would you have cared about their head start?
    I'm guessing no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    And if they finished last (where they were predicted)...would you have cared about their head start?
    I'm guessing no.
    People complained about the expansion rules afforded to Vegas well before they played their first game and I doubt that was limited to Wild fans. Sure no one envisioned a Stanley Cup run but that's beside the point. It's a forest, Gump - not just trees.

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    If there’s any blame to go around it’s to a) the salary cap changing who teams protected and b) the Penguins for gifting Vegas a Hall of Fame goalie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    If there’s any blame to go around it’s to a) the salary cap changing who teams protected and b) the Penguins for gifting Vegas a Hall of Fame goalie.
    What Vegas is doing is showing other teams that the "requirement" to spend a huge amount of your salary cap on one or two players is not just not needed, but it's a bad idea in general. The same kind of spending (for now, as it will change as the team matures) is in Winnipeg.

    Blame the cap all you want, but it's nice to see some different thinking, and it works.

    As for the Pens- a friend here at work is a big fan of theirs- Flurey wasn't a gift, as much as it was a concession that Murray was the future for the team. Especially when you see the angst that the Pens had for many years due to his meltdowns in post season. He was on his way out, one way or another. IMHO, he really needed a change for a breath of fresh teammates. Being a goalie is 99.5% mental, so the change really helped his game.

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    yup. there is no way the pens were keeping flower around at that salary as a back up to a more than capable goalie of the future. any other year he would have been traded for assets.
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    Its all sour grapes from other teams and fans. Your team isnt sh*t because of the new expansion draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JF_Gophers View Post
    Its all sour grapes from other teams and fans. Your team isnt sh*t because of the new expansion draft.
    No, my team isn’t **** because we have a GM still stuck in 2002.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Agreed - their bad contracts are their fault.
    Would have been nice to be able to have the Vegas rules for their expansion draft though.
    You can say the Wild have bad contracts if you want but the contracts they have (all of them) in every case other teams would have paid more for the player. They have been pretty Cap savvy.

    The Wild have a roster of good to pretty good players. They're a good team. The best way I can explain why they don't win in the playoffs is they have a horrible mix. Somehow this collection of players just doesn't get it done. And that is a very difficult thing to fix. Best to enjoy the 82 games we get a year, and the playoff berth as long as we can. Cause rebuilding this mess is going to take years.
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    Re: NHL 2018: When the AI GM is smarter than actual GMs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
    No, my team isn’t **** because we have a GM still stuck in 2002.
    But he habitually kicks tires to check if they're still inflated before promptly sitting behind the wheel not driving anywhere!
    “Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”

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