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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    For clarity, the court ruled that the feds can't bar states from offering gambling. The states could impose a fee to pass along to the respective sports if they choose to do so.
    Correct, I edited that piece out after I accidentally hit reply. Sometimes I struggle on my phone lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    The NBA can do a couple things to the casinos. First, they can block certain mobile apps from working on their WiFi connections. Second, they can rewrite their cable and satellite contracts to not allow to those providers to sell the NBA service package to casinos. While it would hardly kill the business, it would make things less convenient and perhaps deter some gamblers who were on the margin.
    Correct, but when Iím on my couch and have Canterburyís app that allows me to bet through my account, the NBA (although I highly doubt Iíll be participating in that leagueís action or watching much of it ) wonít have any control ó if Iím at Target Center and not on a wi fi Network, if I have service Iíll be able to bet from my seat, and the NBA wonít be able to do anything about it, correct?

    I know it may not be available mobile ASAP as things roll out and get moving, but all the casinos in Vegas allow you to bet via mobile throughout the state of Nevada and the books that wonít to take on a large customer base will make that a priority - I already received an email yesterday from DraftKings stating theyíd be offering sports betting through their app where state guidelines allow.
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    I guarantee within 10 years the majority of states will make it legal. Hell I bet Minnesota will do it in five. I know that goes against Kepler's truly well thought out and well sourced belief that only fundies care about gambling, but it is the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MavHockey14 View Post
    Correct, but when I’m on my couch and have Canterbury’s app that allows me to bet through my account, the NBA (although I highly doubt I’ll be participating in that league’s action or watching much of it ) won’t have any control — if I’m at Target Center and not on a wi fi Network, if I have service I’ll be able to bet from my seat, and the NBA won’t be able to do anything about it, correct?

    I know it may not be available mobile ASAP as things roll out and get moving, but all the casinos in Vegas allow you to bet via mobile throughout the state of Nevada and the books that won’t to take on a large customer base will make that a priority - I already received an email yesterday from DraftKings stating they’d be offering sports betting through their app where state guidelines allow.
    I fully understand that the NBA/NFL/etc. putting in place a blackout for certain services is a very small road bump, but it's just about the only recourse they would have in order to collect such a fee as they were proposing. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    I guarantee within 10 years the majority of states will make it legal. Hell I bet Minnesota will do it in five. I know that goes against Kepler's truly well thought out and well sourced belief that only fundies care about gambling, but it is the truth.
    I envision sports stadiums/arenas becoming like dog tracks, would think that turns a lot of people off. Are there that many gamblers out there who donít watch sports?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MavHockey14 View Post
    I understand why the leagues want these ďintegrityĒ fees or whatever, but that will never happen. The books and casinos regulate these bets ó why provide a fee to the leagues when they donít have to? The NBA wonít be able to tell MGM you canít offer bets on our games.. unless Iím misunderstanding, thereís no leverage, is there?

    Sure they donít have to take bets live at their arenas then ó but people will be making bets on their mobile devices and will be able to do so from their seats in the arena.
    I think they want the $$ for providing the supporting data for the side bets. Final score is probably public domain. The stats are probably owned by the leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    I guarantee within 10 years the majority of states will make it legal. Hell I bet Minnesota will do it in five. I know that goes against Kepler's truly well thought out and well sourced belief that only fundies care about gambling, but it is the truth.
    Now, now... that's not what I said. I suggested Fundies, being rock stupid, are bad at math. That does not preclude other people being bad at math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    The stats are probably owned by the leagues.
    I've heard this said before, and I just don't understand. How can counting the number of events in a publicly broadcast event be private property?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Now, now... that's not what I said. I suggested Fundies, being rock stupid, are bad at math. That does not preclude other people being bad at math.
    Seriously...do you have fun doing anything? Not everyone gambles cause of math...
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I think they want the $$ for providing the supporting data for the side bets. Final score is probably public domain. The stats are probably owned by the leagues.
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I've heard this said before, and I just don't understand. How can counting the number of events in a publicly broadcast event be private property?
    It's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I think they want the $$ for providing the supporting data for the side bets. Final score is probably public domain. The stats are probably owned by the leagues.
    That issue was decided long ago, back when I think MLB went after some fantasy baseball organizations, as I recall. MLB struck out on their claim that they can copyright their stats.
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    Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

    So what is the "integrity fee" I keep reading about??

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    So what is the "integrity fee" I keep reading about??
    Basically the leagues are throwing up a last ditch effort to try and get a little cut of the pie ó smart to try, but itíll never work. There obviously will be regulations that must be met regarding all this, but the books and casinos take care of that ó the leagues are saying they want 1% of each $ bet on their games, to help make sure there is integrity and things are regulated. Ultimately, the leagues want to use their size and power to try and get some coin and it wonít happen.

    Outside of St. Clownís mentions of tv contracts and how theyíre sold to specific books, etc. the leagues have no leverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MavHockey14 View Post
    Basically the leagues are throwing up a last ditch effort to try and get a little cut of the pie ó smart to try, but itíll never work. There obviously will be regulations that must be met regarding all this, but the books and casinos take care of that. Ultimately, the leagues want to use their size and power to try and get some coin and it wonít hapoen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Never say never
    As a sportsbook or entity that offers action on these leagues, why would you agree to give away some of your cut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    So what is the "integrity fee" I keep reading about??
    Just an attempt by the leagues to capitalize on sports betting, financially.

    What leagues have tried to do, as I understand it, is to convince state legislatures to add an "integrity fee" tax to sports betting that would be turned over to the league. I don't think they've had much luck in this regard. The states aren't known for their willingness to share tax money.

    What you will probably see is a big push by the leagues to get Congress to adopt some sort of federal law governing sports betting, and include a fee with that.

    The problem with the leagues is that they always overplay their hand. They go in and ask for a percentage of the total amount bet, which no sane party would agree to since the sports books lose 40-50% of the bets placed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Just an attempt by the leagues to capitalize on sports betting, financially.

    What leagues have tried to do, as I understand it, is to convince state legislatures to add an "integrity fee" tax to sports betting that would be turned over to the league. I don't think they've had much luck in this regard. The states aren't known for their willingness to share tax money.

    What you will probably see is a big push by the leagues to get Congress to adopt some sort of federal law governing sports betting, and include a fee with that.

    The problem with the leagues is that they always overplay their hand. They go in and ask for a percentage of the total amount bet, which no sane party would agree to since the sports books lose 40-50% of the bets placed.
    Bingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MavHockey14 View Post
    As a sportsbook or entity that offers action on these leagues, why would you agree to give away some of your cut?
    They will probably work out something where they can advertise in stadiums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    They will probably work out something where they can advertise in stadiums.
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    I don't think most of the leagues would allow that. While it's great revenue stream potential, it could create the image of them working with the bookies and 8 Men Out would be just the beginning of the accusations after a major upset.
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