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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Nice non-sequitur. I guess if that's all you've got. < shrug >
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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by French Rage View Post
    Well then tough **** for him. Two other countries are allowed to engage in whatever discussions they want without his sayso. They are allowed to ask a private citizen with experience in the field for help. He was not doing it as any specific member of a US delegation and was not interfering in the US's actions in the matter.

    This, of course, highlights why the right's chest-pounding about withdrawing from the deal is so stupid. While we are probably the most important member of the deal in terms of economic size, it is a multi-party deal, not a two-party deal, and thus we don't hold the cards we would in the former. The sanctions on Iran before the deal worked so well because we had the cooperation of the major European states; us or them alone would not have had the power to bring Iran to the table and get the concessions they did. Now us backing out of the deal and trying to re-impose them will not have the same effect because, get this, other countries are other countries and might not automatically do what we want, despite how much Trump thinks he such a super-awesome negotiator, and without them our actions are largely equivalent to a child yelling into the void.
    I don't disagree with any of that. And, as Andrea Mitchell pointed out this morning. This was a UN deal through the Security Council. It wasn't a US deal. And as far as she knows this is the first time the US has gone out alone and directly rejected a UN Security Council agreement. Heck, even Russia agreed.

    But, again. he's elected. He gets to do whatever the **** he wants. I wish people had thought about that before voting. Oh, that's right, the GOP had ginned up this issue as well. Skewing the public who can't critically think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Insight.
    Looks like someone from Novartis is saying that Cohen reached out after the election and promised access.

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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Looks like someone from Novartis is saying that Cohen reached out after the election and promised access.
    That's going to be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    That's going to be a problem.
    If true yes. Their official statement is that they paid him for trump intel on healthcare policy.

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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Looks like someone from Novartis is saying that Cohen reached out after the election and promised access.
    Oh come on. Next you're going to point out the Vekselberg payments started last January when Congress was drafting the sanctions bill and ended last August once Trump reluctantly signed it and try to imply something there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by French Rage View Post
    Oh come on. Next you're going to point out the Vekselberg payments started last January when Congress was drafting the sanctions bill and ended last August once Trump reluctantly signed it and try to imply something there too.
    Yeah Iíve got my jump to conclusions mat out!

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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Um, now as in "at this moment" or now as in during the POTUS45 Presidency, say within the last month?

    Jerusalem Post, May 5, 2018: "Former US Secretary of State John Kerry met with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif two weeks ago in a bid to salvage the 2015 nuclear agreement signed between Iran and world powers, according to the Boston Globe."

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    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...eal-collusion/

    Logan Act?
    More than one state is party to that agreement. maybe Kerry was working for one of them? You know, since he probably had a hand in the original agreement.
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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Not sure that flies. By getting the other parties to continue on that interfere's with what Trump wants. And what Trump apparently wants is full sanctions on Iran. The only way he gets that is with the backing of the allies. If France and Germany and Iran, etc. all stay in while the United States is out that circumvents the United States foreign policy.

    This is why the idiots that elected him need to understand exactly what they did.
    Trump's "sanctions" on Iran are going to work as well as the decades of sanctions on Cuba. America throwing a hissy fit while everyone else ignores us.
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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    Trump's "sanctions" on Iran are going to work as well as the decades of sanctions on Cuba. America throwing a hissy fit while everyone else ignores us.
    Don't disagree with any of this either.
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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    Trump's "sanctions" on Iran are going to work as well as the decades of sanctions on Cuba. America throwing a hissy fit while everyone else ignores us.
    EU is still observing the deal. The US is now the rogue nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    More than one state is party to that agreement. maybe Kerry was working for one of them? You know, since he probably had a hand in the original agreement.
    Wouldn't it be a pis$3R if he was getting paid to consult for the Russians?

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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    I don't disagree with any of that. And, as Andrea Mitchell pointed out this morning. This was a UN deal through the Security Council. It wasn't a US deal. And as far as she knows this is the first time the US has gone out alone and directly rejected a UN Security Council agreement. Heck, even Russia agreed.

    But, again. he's elected. He gets to do whatever the **** he wants. I wish people had thought about that before voting. Oh, that's right, the GOP had ginned up this issue as well. Skewing the public who can't critically think.
    It worked too. My father used to rail about the Iran Deal and when I asked him why he said Iran was "lying" and we "got nothing from the deal". When I asked for sources he had none but amazingly Faux was on when I arrived at his house.

    Hey Sicatoka, I assume you think Reagan was a good President right? Should he have been nailed for he Logan Act for undermining Carter during their campaigns when it came to the Iran hostages? I bet if we look we can find both parties doing this pretty much yearly. I am willing to burn them all at the stake, are you? We know Trump and his cronies did it as well...

    Oh and when was the last time someone was convicted of violating the Logan Act? Hell prosecuted for it? I will hang up and listen.
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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Wouldn't it be a pis$3R if he was getting paid to consult for the Russians?
    That would be beautiful, but my money's on him being affiliated with some UN-ish peace entity or other.

    The idea that the Dumps, with their history, would accuse anybody else of violating the Logan Act is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    That would be beautiful, but my money's on him being affiliated with some UN-ish peace entity or other.

    The idea that the Dumps, with their history, would accuse anybody else of violating the Logan Act is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
    Had Goebbels actually said, "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty" it would be apropos here.

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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Wouldn't it be a pis$3R if he was getting paid to consult for the Russians?
    You mean like Manafort, and Flynn, and who knows how many others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    you mean like manafort, and flynn, and who knows how many others?
    BINGO! But he's probably working for the UN, EU or Germany/France.

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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    You mean like Manafort, and Flynn, and who knows how many others?
    Speaking of that. Has anyone figured out why it's always Russians that come up during this investigation? It's never an Italian, or Greek, it's always a Russian. For a guy who says "there is no collusion" so often he sure knows a **** of a lot of Russians.
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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Based on those reports, Mr. Trump and Mr. Sessions would be well within Executive Branch authority to prosecute Mr. Kerry on a Logan Act violation. Citizen Kerry should not be doing that.
    I see you've decided not to wait for the "manilla envelope" in this case.

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    Re: POTUS 45.33: ""We're rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way."

    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Speaking of that. Has anyone figured out why it's always Russians that come up during this investigation? It's never an Italian, or Greek, it's always a Russian. For a guy who says "there is no collusion" so often he sure knows a **** of a lot of Russians.
    And the corollary to that, Trumpy campaigned on "America First". Everyone else take a back seat. We'll do what's best for America.

    Except when it comes to Russia. He bends over backwards to not upset their feelings. To not insult them. he has nothing good to say about any country.....................except Russia. Throws out 60 of their "diplomats" cause they're poisoning people in Britain, and then the next day tells them they can send 60 new "diplomats" to replace them. What's best for America is to be all pal-sy with Russia.

    I can't figure it out.
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