0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

There have been solutions mentioned here, but they are not solutions YOU agree with, therefore they are not solutions in your eyes.

[rufus]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

There have been solutions mentioned here, but they are not solutions YOU agree with, therefore they are not solutions in your eyes.

No, solutions you think are brilliant and will work, and at least three or four other people here have already questioned.

You say you can keep guns out of the hands of idiots by mental health testing.

Just so you're aware, not all idiots have mental health issues. In fact, most of them do not. So mental health testing will do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of idiots. It may help keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, but even Drew, who's on your side, puts limits and draws the line on just how far he'll go in that area.


So again, how do you keep guns out of the hands of idiots?

[rufus]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

See, I'm a safe driver(hypothetically ). I obey all the traffic laws, I keep my vehicle scrupulously maintained mechanically, I drive defensively, signal turns, everything. I will never get into a motor vehicle accident.


Until I do.


That's your gun safety argument. Nothing will ever go wrong if everyone's responsible.

[mookie1995]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

You just said you can eliminate idiots from owning guns. HOW are you going to do that?

one man's idiot is another man's freedom fighter

[busterman62]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

See, I'm a safe driver(hypothetically ). I obey all the traffic laws, I keep my vehicle scrupulously maintained mechanically, I drive defensively, signal turns, everything. I will never get into a motor vehicle accident.


Until I do.


That's your gun safety argument. Nothing will ever go wrong if everyone's responsible.

So the answer is simple. Get rid of all automobiles. We can't have car accidents or vehicular manslaughter if no one can own an automobile.

[rufus]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

You get rid of cars, and only criminals will have cars.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

So the answer is simple. Get rid of all automobiles. We can't have car accidents or vehicular manslaughter if no one can own an automobile.

Guns are not equal to cars. If you want to make them equal fine. Get rid of both, or force guns to have the same laws as cars.

1. License to use a firearm. (drivers license)
2. License for every firearm (tabs)
3. Liability Insurance (this isn't a new idea for guns, it's out there already).

Either or works for me. I don't "need" a car if it also means giving up the carnage.

[alfablue]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

So the answer is simple. Get rid of all automobiles. We can't have car accidents or vehicular manslaughter if no one can own an automobile.

Analogies like that are so, well, stupid.

A car is supposed to move you from A to B. There are accidents and incidents where people die.

A guns is supposed to kill whatever you are shooting at. The INTENTION is that people die. Accidents also happen where people die.

But the intention of each tool is completely different.

Come up with a better argument, already. That one is far to easy to poke holes into.

Regardless of the point of treating guns like cars in terms of licencing, safety, etc- that would go a long way.

[Kepler]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

So the answer is simple. Get rid of all automobiles. We can't have car accidents or vehicular manslaughter if no one can own an automobile.

You regurgitate NRA talking points even better than Dana Loesch.

[St. Clown]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

If you really want to make gun owners responsible, state that should any murder be committed with a weapon by a person having the same legal residence as the registered gun owner, that the registered gun owner can be held accountable for aiding and abetting in the homicide(s), unless that weapon is reported stolen to the police at least 48 hours prior its commission in the crime. You will find a lot of gun owners become much better caretakers of the weapons in their possession.

[Kepler]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

If you really want to make gun owners responsible, state that should any murder be committed with a weapon by a person having the same legal residence as the registered gun owner, that the registered gun owner can be held accountable for aiding and abetting in the homicide(s), unless that weapon is reported stolen to the police at least 48 hours prior its commission in the crime. You will find a lot of gun owners become much better caretakers of the weapons in their possession.

We don't do that in this country (condemn everyone near the accused and burn them all at the stake, i.e. Community Crime) unless it's the poors, the blacks, or the Muzzies.

IIRC when a resistance sniper would take out a German soldier the Nazis would burn the whole occupied town in retribution because, hey, if they didn't give him up they were all guilty. Every army in history has done this when going house to house, and in fact war is this principle writ large: because you live on this spot I get to murder you and the Pope sez it's FINE!!! :-)

[Drew S.]

If you really want to make gun owners responsible, state that should any murder be committed with a weapon by a person having the same legal residence as the registered gun owner, that the registered gun owner can be held accountable for aiding and abetting in the homicide(s), unless that weapon is reported stolen to the police at least 48 hours prior its commission in the crime. You will find a lot of gun owners become much better caretakers of the weapons in their possession.

Make the robbery victims responsible instead of the murderers, makes a lot of sense. If the cops know that a gun is stolen what can they do to prevent someone from using it in a crime?

[Drew S.]

We don't do that in this country (condemn everyone near the accused and burn them all at the stake) unless it's the poors, the blacks, or the Muzzies.

We did it to White working class in 1692. It didn’t turn out very well.

[St. Clown]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

Make the robbery victims responsible instead of the murderers, makes a lot of sense. If the cops know that a gun is stolen what can they do to prevent someone from using it in a crime?

If the gun is reported stolen, it absolves the registered gun owner. If it's not reported stolen, then they're not careful enough with their weapons around their children.

The insurance of the car's owner travels with the car. If Jr. takes the car without permission, mommy and daddy are still on the hook, along with their State Farm account, for the damages that might be incurred.

If people really want to take the gun/car analogy to its end, let's really do it. The gun owner's responsibility travels with the gun, unless it's reported stolen.

[Kepler]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

We did it to White working class in 1692. It didn’t turn out very well.

The witch trials were the result of "economic anxiety." Deplorables in all ages reach for the matches. I have no doubt if the market crashes the Dumpies will start burning people to ward off evil spirits.

In a series of papers on the causes of civil war, Collier and Hoeffler (2000,
2002) have demonstrated that poor economic conditions are generally associated
with an increased chance of civil conflict. There are several possible explanations
for the phenomenon. The most consistent with the work presented here is that
citizens blame other ethnic groups for deterioration in economic conditions.
(Moreover, “other ethnic groups” in this case may well mean the government, given
that political coalitions often form along ethnic lines.) However, Collier and
Hoeffler argue that there are other major contributing factors that are not as
consistent with a scapegoating hypothesis—for example, rebels have fewer outside
labor market opportunities when the economy is slumping.

A final paper to mention in this discussion is the analysis by Miguel (2003) of
the relationship between witch killings and weather patterns in modern Tanzania.
Unlike in medieval Europe, where witch killings were quite common and not within
family, a Tanzanian village sees one witch killing approximately every five years, and
the victims are generally the oldest woman in the household, killed by her own
family members. Miguel finds that in years when there is extreme rainfall (either
too little or too much) the number of witch murders is significantly increased:
moving from normal to severe rainfall in either direction increases the number of
witch killings by 0.085. Miguel argues that in Tanzania, the killings may reflect an
elimination of the least productive household member in the face of food shortages.
Although this argument is somewhat different than the scapegoating argument
presented here, they are by no means mutually exclusive. If medieval communities
felt responsible for feeding the poor older women in the village, then they
may have had particular impulse to increase accusations of witchcraft during
difficult times.