0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

[Kepler]

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The irrational paranoia on the part of my employer is astounding and as such you need an administrator password to do almost anything with my electronic devices other than turn them on. So consequently downloading ad block is not an option.

Well you're crazy to use the computer attached to your work network -- I'm sure he's got a keystroke counter too. I assumed you were on a dedicated INET machine.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Well you're crazy to use the computer attached to your work network -- I'm sure he's got a keystroke counter too. I assumed you were on a dedicated INET machine.

The Luddite your speaking with did not understand most of this post...

[Slap Shot]

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No one is saying mental health didnt have anything to do with it (talk about an oversimplification) we are saying the only time we ever care about the mental health of the murderer is when it is a white male.

Does that mean it's not a real issue? Every time someone mocks someone else with that silly point it detracts from the dialog and it's no better than the tripe we hear from too many neocons in this forum.

And I don't care that your brother (or my son) figured it out and never snapped. Too many clearly do not and tackling the problem only from the standpoint of stricter gun laws is a short-sighted approach. Never mind I think my posting history should be indicative of the fact I don't espouse Drew's aversions to enacting legislative action to tackle the gun component.

To Slap Shot, one of the points being made is that the GOP has no interest in doing anything about either.

I'm in total agreement.

[Handyman]

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What dialog? There is no dialog. The only time this comes up is in a very specific set of circumstances otherwise it is completely ignored. It is an excuse nothing more. Maybe I would agree with you more if people actually cared about why killers kill but they dont. They care why killers LIKE THEMSELVES kill. That is the problem with all of this. There is no reason for him to have done any of this (being bullied is as lame as it gets sorry) he was a supposed nice quiet kid that was active in the church, played football and even made the honor roll. That someone like that snapped and murdered scares people so like with anything when the answers elude them they fill the vacuum themselves to ease their fears.

You are more than welcome to think this kid was mentally ill and that is why he did what he did...I dont. I am all for doing anything to help those with mental illness and if he is diagnosed with something that impaired his judgement then by all means it is a mitigating factor and I will revisit. But this is all armchair speculation. I havent seen anything that suggests he is actually mentally ill...just some people who just cant understand why he would do it so they ASSUME he had an issue. With what we know so far he can feel free to rot in jail for life.

This is like the people who try and diagnose Trump with all sorts of problems...

tl;dr: Mental Health is a major concern of mine and I am a huge advocate for those with mental illness, but it only ever gets any sort of real play when white people murder en masse so it is nothing but a crutch in situations like this IMHO.

[Slap Shot]

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There's a dialog and I'll never buy the claim anyone that does what he did wasn't royally messed up. If you need an official diagnosis (and perhaps if more money and resources were spent on this we'd have one) that's swell, but I've never been acquainted with anyone capable of such madness.

Yet I also firmly believe we need to take action on the gun side of things.

[Drew S.]

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Does that mean it's not a real issue? Every time someone mocks someone else with that silly point it detracts from the dialog and it's no better than the tripe we hear from too many neocons in this forum.

And I don't care that your brother (or my son) figured it out and never snapped. Too many clearly do not and tackling the problem only from the standpoint of stricter gun laws is a short-sighted approach. Never mind I think my posting history should be indicative of the fact I don't espouse Drew's aversions to enacting legislative action to tackle the gun component.



I'm in total agreement.

I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I've said repeatedly that there are certain gun control measure I would be okay with; waiting period, licensing scheme, some sort of mechanism to remove guns from people who are a threat to themselves or others, etc. I think some of these measures could save lives but not sure how much impact they would have on the high profile events. Measuring success in terms of high profile events is off target in my humble opinion.

One thing I do wonder is if we had increased gun regulations would you really want to put more people in jail? I can't see where it would be worth it but perhaps I'm wrong.

[mookie1995]

What dialog? There is no dialog. The only time this comes up is in a very specific set of circumstances otherwise it is completely ignored. It is an excuse nothing more. Maybe I would agree with you more if people actually cared about why killers kill but they dont. They care why killers LIKE THEMSELVES kill. That is the problem with all of this. There is no reason for him to have done any of this (being bullied is as lame as it gets sorry) he was a supposed nice quiet kid that was active in the church, played football and even made the honor roll. That someone like that snapped and murdered scares people so like with anything when the answers elude them they fill the vacuum themselves to ease their fears.

You are more than welcome to think this kid was mentally ill and that is why he did what he did...I dont. I am all for doing anything to help those with mental illness and if he is diagnosed with something that impaired his judgement then by all means it is a mitigating factor and I will revisit. But this is all armchair speculation. I havent seen anything that suggests he is actually mentally ill...just some people who just cant understand why he would do it so they ASSUME he had an issue. With what we know so far he can feel free to rot in jail for life.

This is like the people who try and diagnose Trump with all sorts of problems...

tl;dr: Mental Health is a major concern of mine and I am a huge advocate for those with mental illness, but it only ever gets any sort of real play when white people murder en masse so it is nothing but a crutch in situations like this IMHO.

"Like themselves"

Whatchutalkinboutwillis??

[rufus]

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I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I've said repeatedly that there are certain gun control measure I would be okay with; waiting period, licensing scheme, some sort of mechanism to remove guns from people who are a threat to themselves or others, etc. I think some of these measures could save lives but not sure how much impact they would have on the high profile events. Measuring success in terms of high profile events is off target in my humble opinion.

One thing I do wonder is if we had increased gun regulations would you really want to put more people in jail? I can't see where it would be worth it but perhaps I'm wrong.

Unless the person is mentally incapable of managing their finances, and then it's just a confiscatory gun grab by that darkie Obama fella.

[rufus]

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"Like themselves"

Whatchutalkinboutwillis??

White boys.

They don't bother to question why a brown person of Middle Eastern descent might kill. They're just terrorists, and no need to delve deeper.

But if it's a white boy.

*handwringing* "Oh, there had to have been some reason that drove him to take such drastic actions. We must examine ourselves and society to make an effort to learn why, so we can prevent such a horrible tragedy from ever happening again. All we know is that it wasn't the gun's fault".

[The Rube]

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White boys.

They don't bother to question why a brown person of Middle Eastern descent might kill. They're just terrorists, and no need to delve deeper.

But if it's a white boy.

*handwringing* "Oh, there had to have been some reason that drove him to take such drastic actions. We must examine ourselves and society to make an effort to learn why, so we can prevent such a horrible tragedy from ever happening again. All we know is that it wasn't the gun's fault".

When someone of that descent flat out proclaims they did it for ISIS....well........

Not much more to say.

[rufus]

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And when the white boy says he did it cause the girls won't fck him?

[Handyman]

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When someone of that descent flat out proclaims they did it for ISIS....well........

Not much more to say.

And we debunked that the last time you said that. Plus something besides an affiliation to ISIS (which they often dont even really have) isnt enough...what actually caused the snap? That is what we ask with White Boys.

But how about when Black People kill...we never ask it then either.

[rufus]

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Well, they're black. Killing's in their blood. Their hot, African blood.

[5mn_Major]

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I think some of these measures could save lives but not sure how much impact they would have on the high profile events.

Then why wouldn't we do more to save more lives?

And no, the second amendment isn't in play until Obama does literally take all the guns.

One thing I do wonder is if we had increased gun regulations would you really want to put more people in jail? I can't see where it would be worth it but perhaps I'm wrong.

Add more jails for awhile. The lives it saves will cover the costs in terms of taxes.

[joecct]

And no, the second amendment isn't in play until Obama does literally take all the guns

Waiting for the Netflix show about this.

Why can't the several States impose a "gun tax" on firearm sales?