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"If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
-Gallagher
R.I.P.
Grandpa G. ~ Feb 11, 1918-Oct. 6, 1999
Grandma ~ Jan 2004
Dad ~ Nov. 4, 1958-April 21, 2008
Grandpa S. ~ June 21, 1932-November 11, 2013
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Former presidential candidate pastor Chuck Baldwin preaches that if you don't own at least one AR-15 you are "worse than a heathen." That's right, get thee to your local gun store and buy an AR-15. Already have one? Buy another. You have two hands! If you don't you will burn in Hell for all eternity.
But he's pro-life!
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Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View PostEven if dad had them locked up tight and the kid broke in to steal them...what does that change? He still had access to a weapon. How many kids have an ability to get them illegally? I would guess...from my own experiences...that it is fairly low. So it's access to legal ones that is a major problem here for me.
What is does change it whether or not the father should be charged in this incident. If the father left the gun in a nightstand, or on top of the fridge, whatever, then charges should be made. If the father kept it in a safe, and the kid broke into that safe, the father is absolved.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostIt does show the irony by the anti-gun group, though.
Take any famous speaker who is out somewhere dictating to us that we don't need guns. Take a look around that speaker, and see how many guns (whether concealed or in the open; you can usually tell which ones have them concealed) there are. If it's not OK for us to have guns because we supposedly don't need them, then why do they need them, and why is OK for the speaker (and accomplices) to have them?
Edit: That and your credit card number.
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostIf he broke into the safe/etc, that is not really access. By that reasoning, I have access to a car that is on a dealership demo floor, despite alarms/locks/etc.
What is does change it whether or not the father should be charged in this incident. If the father left the gun in a nightstand, or on top of the fridge, whatever, then charges should be made. If the father kept it in a safe, and the kid broke into that safe, the father is absolved."If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
-Gallagher
R.I.P.
Grandpa G. ~ Feb 11, 1918-Oct. 6, 1999
Grandma ~ Jan 2004
Dad ~ Nov. 4, 1958-April 21, 2008
Grandpa S. ~ June 21, 1932-November 11, 2013
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostWaiting to see how he got the guns. Then I'll comment on that. And talking with him might have. He admitted that he wanted his story to be told, which to me says no one was listening to him.
That's the choice he made. I don't think a little conversation would have made him choose differently. He'd just have some other excuse, like "the prom queen wouldn't put out for me".What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View PostThe access is because they are in the home and he (Im assuming) knows where they are and was taught to use them obviously. The dealership isn't your home.
It IS good, in a way, that the kid was taught to use the gun. Knowledge of said weapon is part of safety and responsibility.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
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Originally posted by rufus View PostThere are other ways to get your story told than by killing ten people in a school.
That's the choice he made. I don't think a little conversation would have made him choose differently. He'd just have some other excuse, like "the prom queen wouldn't put out for me".Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
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Originally posted by ticapnews View PostIf a cheerleader had just taken one for the team and given this loser a bj this all might have been averted.
Oh, wait, this guy deserves far better than the fat cheerleader. She's a disgusting pig. He deserves the QB's cheerleader girlfriend.What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostSo, despite the fact my brother has a gun, in a safe, and only HE knows the combo (his fiancee doesn't even know the combo), my nieces have access to said gun? That's ridiculous, IMO.
It IS good, in a way, that the kid was taught to use the gun. Knowledge of said weapon is part of safety and responsibility.
If this kid broke in...he still knew the gun was there obviously...that to me is access to it."If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
-Gallagher
R.I.P.
Grandpa G. ~ Feb 11, 1918-Oct. 6, 1999
Grandma ~ Jan 2004
Dad ~ Nov. 4, 1958-April 21, 2008
Grandpa S. ~ June 21, 1932-November 11, 2013
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Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View PostIf they know the gun is there then yes...on some level they can have access to it.
If this kid broke in...he still knew the gun was there obviously...that to me is access to it.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostSo, despite the fact my brother has a gun, in a safe, and only HE knows the combo (his fiancee doesn't even know the combo), my nieces have access to said gun? That's ridiculous, IMO.
It IS good, in a way, that the kid was taught to use the gun. Knowledge of said weapon is part of safety and responsibility.
What good is your brother's gun gonna do him in that case? All locked up like that?What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostThat's.....wow.
If you know it's there...you can find a way to get it."If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
-Gallagher
R.I.P.
Grandpa G. ~ Feb 11, 1918-Oct. 6, 1999
Grandma ~ Jan 2004
Dad ~ Nov. 4, 1958-April 21, 2008
Grandpa S. ~ June 21, 1932-November 11, 2013
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