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  • #46
    Re: Westworld Season II: The Puppet Show is Over

    Ditto. I’m finding her to be annoying as hell.

    I think it’s because Maeve is driven by something much more human. And she’s doing it much more convincingly. Im not sure if it’s the acting or the writing or both.
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    • #47
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      Rinko Kikuchi was effing awesome.
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      • #48
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        Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
        I really prefer Maeve to Dolores. She’s much more bad *** and less preachy. I get sick of the monologues from Dolores
        While I like Dolores' character overall, the monologues are getting to be like Dany's in Game of Thrones. Way too many of them, and honestly, I don't see them serving any purpose to the story.

        Maeve is awesome. They nailed the casting with Thandie Newton.

        I loved the part when all the Westworld hosts recognized "themselves" during the brothel robbery.
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        • #49
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          Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
          I loved the part when all the Westworld hosts recognized "themselves" during the brothel robbery.
          While that part was fun, it didn't work with the plot.

          Lee said at the beginning of the episode that Shogun world was for the guest that were advanced, and wanted something more brutal, and more difficult than Westworld. So, given that, how was Lee able to copy the exact same plot and quest from the most basic, beginner area of Westworld?

          Also, I was correct on the unknown woman being William's daughter. That one was pretty easy to figure out.
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          • #50
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            Finally got through 4.5. Wow. Maeve is a BAD *** and I’m with you guys, she’s my favorite.
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            • #51
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              Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
              While that part was fun, it didn't work with the plot.
              Strongly disagree. I loved that and thought it was the first time S2 truly rose to the level of S1.

              2.5 had some very good parts -- the exploration of the narratives from inside by Mauve and outside by the writer (Lee?) still has a lot of juice in it. And "That." is one of the funniest lines in the entire show. It also had lazy parts -- the gratuitous chase-y scenes and the fight scenes For The Kids. They definitely decided to pump up the volume and the violence for S2 to try to expand the appeal beyond the cerebral, and that's commercially understandable as long as they don't leave behind the whole point.

              Delores' scene with Teddy was perfectly logical and predictable for her -- she is making all the classic mistakes of the Tragic Leader Under Stress, and I can't help suspecting her character is becoming satire, maybe (probably) without the actress' even realizing it. I am growing to genuinely despise Delores -- we are watching the creation of a monster and being given every chance to be seduced into justifying and even applauding it -- so her presentation as all things bright and beautiful is delightfully morbid and creepy.

              Still a great show. We can't expect a repeat of S1's originality and brilliance, that was lightning in a bottle. But it's still very solid and workmanlike and sometimes as with the parallelism it can still hit the high notes.
              Last edited by Kepler; 05-23-2018, 02:21 AM.
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              • #52
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                Hello old friend

                This show kicks *** at mic drops.
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                • #53
                  Re: Westworld Season II: The Puppet Show is Over

                  Huh. I’d been expecting that all season so I wasn’t surprised.

                  Overall I found this ep fairly boring

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                  • #54
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                    It was telegraphed from a mile away, yeah, but still. It didn't rely on the bang, wham dumbf-ckery crutch of the prior one. I liked it. Quieter is better.

                    I also enjoyed If It's Not Scottish It's Crap. He should make some fun caustic relief.

                    For a moment there, I was really, really worried they were going to betray me with the Man in Black. When he smiled at her I turned to my wife and said "what is that sh-t?" So her waking up alone was extremely satisfying. I can tolerate their dynamic if it is poisonous and rancid. Otherwise I see no point in Princess Leia on Horseback. Anyway, once they made the save Dr. Mrs. turned to me and said, "Did you really not see that coming? It was obvious."

                    I was duly chastened and turned on.

                    One quibble. "There's no time" to turn his pain down? It takes one Tinder swipe on his tablet. Nice scene but come on don't sell so cheap.
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                    • #55
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                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      For a moment there, I was really, really worried they were going to betray me with the Man in Black. When he smiled at her I turned to my wife and said "what is that sh-t?" So her waking up alone was extremely satisfying. I can tolerate their dynamic if it is poisonous and rancid. Otherwise I see no point in Princess Leia on Horseback. Anyway, once they made the save Dr. Mrs. turned to me and said, "Did you really not see that coming? It was obvious."

                      I was duly chastened and turned on.
                      Well, I don't think that William's daughter (Emily) is that pointless.

                      It is pretty obvious that (speculation in white) she is a host, and either William created her to replace his daughter, or Ford created her to torture/test William.
                      Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

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                      • #56
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                        Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
                        Well, I don't think that William's daughter (Emily) is that pointless.
                        I'm not saying she is pointless. I'm saying turning her and William into the 72,863rd recapitulation of the Old Man Finds Peace and Balm Reconciling with His Alienated Child precious moment figurine would be worse than pointless, it would be a betrayal of the audience.

                        Theory Spoiler:

                        Her adolescent bitterness and self-assuredness needs to be completely destroyed by the Park, so I hope she stays and is gradually brought down off her high horse. The show has already showed it is playing with expectations and enjoying defying them: Delores turning gradually into a monstrous character, the shark jumping moment of Teddy's (literal) desecration, showed again that the writers are violently refusing to play dumb no matter how much the fans yelp. Emily has potential in that direction, not for herself, but as a finger in the eye of the safe, easy narratives that mass media has lulled our brains to sleep with since its birth.

                        The real hosts are us, the audience. The real Park is the radio/TV/movie/internet complex that has fed us the same pablum for nearly a hundred years. The real Quickening is the rise of self-awareness that all our tropes have been planned, even -- especially -- the counter-tropes of rebellion. They were all constructed to lull us to becoming machines that do nothing but press the Park Owners' consumption feeder bar. We are cattle.

                        It's going to take a lot to get outside of that, and some of that is going to have real dislocation, and people are not going to like that one bit. But I have faith.
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                        • #57
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                          The show went to another level of darkness imho that episode.

                          Emily isn't a host imho.

                          I appreciate the idea there's a Matrix-like WW existing in the Cradle managed by Ford's consciousness, but if it becomes regularly portrayed in future episodes while adding even more timelines to the already existing ones...

                          Is Delores having second thoughts about her unleashing a manlier (perhaps the more apt description a more sinister) Teddy?

                          Why didn't Maeve mind-screw Ghost Nation?

                          I'm still wrestling with the idea that even if the hosts did become self-aware that all of them would give this many ******s. It's not a deal break for me but...

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                          • #58
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                            Why didn't Maeve mind-screw Ghost Nation?

                            I asked Dr. Mrs. about this as it was happening. Spoiler: She said you could only do that if you knew the language but then she immediately began speaking the language, so we didn't get it either. AFAIK, Ghost Nation is Aware, so maybe she has a moral reservation for using code to stop an aware host. "Everyone has the right to their own fate, even if that fate is death."
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                            • #59
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                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              Why didn't Maeve mind-screw Ghost Nation?

                              I asked Dr. Mrs. about this as it was happening. Spoiler: She said you could only do that if you knew the language but then she immediately began speaking the language, so we didn't get it either. AFAIK, Ghost Nation is Aware, so maybe she has a moral reservation for using code to stop an aware host. "Everyone has the right to their own fate, even if that fate is death."
                              I don't think its that Maeve has reservations about using the mesh network to control aware hosts, I don't think she has the ability to. If the host is aware, then they don't need to listen to the mesh network, so she can try to tell them to do something, but the aware hosts have the the ability to make that decision themselves.

                              As for Emily being a host, I don't have any evidence. It is just a guess for me, because there is not evidence that she isn't a host. They're obviously leaving it out there as an open question.
                              Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

                              RIP - Kirby

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                              • #60
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                                New Theory!

                                So, instead of Emily being a host, which I have suggested earlier, I'm now starting to lean a different way. I think it might be flipped. Emily is human, but William is a host.

                                Evidence:
                                1. At the end of season 1 William has a dislocated shoulder, his arm is in a sling, and we see a hoard of hosts coming at him. The first thing we see in season 2 is him crawling out from under a pile of dead hosts, without his arm in a sling.
                                2. He failed the fidelity test with Emily, I don't think she knows it though. The real William would not have walked into the honey trap, and missed that the arrows were not genuine Ghost Nation.
                                3. The mission Ford wrote for William was "The game begins where you end and ends where you began", meaning, he is going to go back to where his host was created, in one of Ford's lab, because that is where he began. Ford's game is to show William that hosts are conscious beings, and not just pre-programmed playthings, like he's treated Dolores for years and years. And he's doing it by copying William's consciousness, and putting it into a host.

                                Next idea: We know that Ford has his consciousness downloaded onto one of those little brain balls. Bernard created it and inserted him into the cradle. I am guessing that after Bernard and Ford "leave" the cradle, Ford's consciousness gets put into Bernard's body, and that is who washed up on the beach. That is Ford inside Bernard. That is why Bernard says "I killed them all" at the end of episode 2.1, because it is Ford saying it, and he set all of this in motion.
                                Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

                                RIP - Kirby

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