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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    Voter ID suppresses votes by Republican Sec States closing their offices to "save money" , either with shorter hours or completely, leaving poor people having to go dozens of miles to wait in line when they have to work.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2012/...n-state-077811

    Seriously Brent , open your eyes
    Employers have to legally let their employees vote. Period.
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    Employers have to legally let their employees vote. Period.
    They don't have to give them transportation 25 miles away to get IDs to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    They don't have to give them transportation 25 miles away to get IDs to vote.
    They do not, but depending on state, they still have to allow you to take the time off (getting paid is another issue).
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    Let's put it this way, you need an ID for just about ANYTHING nowadays....except for voting. That's really backwards. Can't buy cigs, booze, without ID. Sometimes when you use your credit card, they ask for ID. Voting? Naw, you're good. Go ahead.

    The process to elect our leaders is ID-free? Something wrong there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Let's put it this way, you need an ID for just about ANYTHING nowadays...
    They even have "enhanced" IDs at the airport, starting in 2020.
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    *eta* I've lived my entire life in predominantly (or sometimes overwhelmingly) white precincts and have never had an issue with wait times or machine breakdowns..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Let's put it this way, you need an ID for just about ANYTHING nowadays....except for voting. That's really backwards. Can't buy cigs, booze, without ID. Sometimes when you use your credit card, they ask for ID. Voting? Naw, you're good. Go ahead.

    The process to elect our leaders is ID-free? Something wrong there.
    Then make everything required to get an ID free, otherwise it becomes an indirect poll tax. Either the ID costs money, or the ID is free but the birth certificate needed to obtain it costs money, or something is in place to create a barrier of entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
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    I am more anti-Hill than most of the Dems here and I don't agree with this statement. The voters who voted against Hillary voted against Hillary, not against the Dems and not even against moderate Dems. She will have no effect at all on 2018. Moving forward she is a nullity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Then why are certain folks against Voter IDs? Apparently Voter IDs suppress votes.

    I will give in to gerrymandering, that is obvious. But frankly, IMO, need to be a citizen (and have proof) to vote.
    Because voting is a right. And Voter ID is about suppressing minority and marginal voters who tend to vote D. There's a reason only Republicans want it. If it wasn't, states would make it easily accessible rather than only being available on the 5th Tuesday from 10:30-10:45 at a single DMV office. (And I'm only being slightly hyperbolic with that statement).

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    Flying under the radar with the cable stations laser-focused Guiliani/Stormy/Cohen/TrumpBS:
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Because voting is a right. And Voter ID is about suppressing minority and marginal voters who tend to vote D. There's a reason only Republicans want it. If it wasn't, states would make it easily accessible rather than only being available on the 5th Tuesday from 10:30-10:45 at a single DMV office. (And I'm only being slightly hyperbolic with that statement).
    Voting is a right, you are correct. For legal citizens for this country. I'm fine with making basic IDs free to get. Wouldn't have an issue with that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Voting is a right, you are correct. For legal citizens for this country. I'm fine with making basic IDs free to get. Wouldn't have an issue with that at all.
    That's a solution looking for a problem. In other words, a galactic waste of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Voting is a right, you are correct. For legal citizens for this country. I'm fine with making basic IDs free to get. Wouldn't have an issue with that at all.
    In the last 20 years thereís been something like two documented cases of voter fraud.

    The number of votes cast outnumbered it something like 500 million to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Let's put it this way, you need an ID for just about ANYTHING nowadays....except for voting. That's really backwards. Can't buy cigs, booze, without ID. Sometimes when you use your credit card, they ask for ID. Voting? Naw, you're good. Go ahead.

    The process to elect our leaders is ID-free? Something wrong there.
    Hard for me to believe there are many legal citizens out there who want an ID and arenít able to obtain one.

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    Hard for me to believe there are many legal citizens out there who want an ID and aren’t able to obtain one.
    That's because you're white, you likely don't live in a large city, and have access to a vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    Hard for me to believe there are many legal citizens out there who want an ID and arenít able to obtain one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    That's because you're white, you likely don't live in a large city, and have access to a vehicle.
    I live right outside one and had to wait three hours at the RMV last time I renewed my drivers license. It sucked but thatís what it took to get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Voting is a right, you are correct. For legal citizens for this country. I'm fine with making basic IDs free to get. Wouldn't have an issue with that at all.
    And then, if you want to disenfranchise voters, all you have to do is hack into the DB compared against when scanning the IDs, state the ID is suspended/expired so they can't vote, and then when it's challenged the next day, it shows up as OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Voting is a right, you are correct. For legal citizens for this country. I'm fine with making basic IDs free to get. Wouldn't have an issue with that at all.
    Gee, that's great you're for something that is constitutionally required (they have to be free otherwise they're a poll tax).

    I notice your didn't comment on them being easily and readily procurable.

    And would you still be for them if it could be shown that for every illegal vote prevented, they prevent 10 or 100 or 1000 eligible voters from voting?

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