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  • #46
    Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
    Pre-game, in between periods, postgame. Squeeze in one per period at when a penalty occurs. All these media timeouts shorten the bench too much.
    Those pregame, between periods and postgame spots are full as well. What you’re asking is for me to give up the revenue that, over the course of the season, pays for my plane ticket, hotels and meals for that trip to Fairbanks.
    "The use of common sense and logic will not be tolerated and may result in fine and/or suspension."- Western Professional Hockey League By-laws. 1999-2000.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by TigerFan86-87 View Post
      Soccer never stops. It's not a matter of getting away with anything. That's just how the game is played. TV has figured out to just run ads alongside the game like they do with NASCAR. I'm not sure what radio broadcasts of soccer games do for commercials. I can't imagine a scenario where I could ever be found listening to soccer on the radio... unless I was suffering from insomnia.
      Walking billboards.
      Just to be clear. My disinterest in this team became of the Uni's disinterest. Without the success of the hockey team, the other teams would not be where they are. Way to pay back the hockey team. **** UAA.

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      • #48
        Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

        I compiled the results for the 1988-89 season as that was the last one that had 10 minute overtimes, except for CCHA conference games which were 5 minute overtimes. I also realized that I had the 2008-09 season and that I could count all overtimes for the 1975-76, 1984-85 and 1988-89 (except for CCHA games) seasons, since all overtimes were 10 minutes. Therefore, all multiple overtime games were counted as ties.

        Code:
        Season  RS games OT games won tied %OT games   % won  % tied
        1975-76    582       65    46   19    11.17%  70.77%  29.23%  includes 2 multiple OT games counted as ties
        1984-85    876      115    79   36    13.13%  68.70%  31.30%  includes 4 multiple OT games counted as ties
        1988-89    714       92    56   36    12.89%  60.87%  39.13%  includes 5 multiple OT games counted as ties
        w/o CCHA
        1988-89    144       29    12   17    20.14%  41.38%  58.62%
        CCHA only	
        1998-99    922      144    55   89    15.62%  38.19%  61.81%
        2008-09    990      205    76  129    20.71%  37.07%  62.93%
        2012-13   1002      196    62  134    19.56%  31.63%  68.37%
        2013-14   1003      168    55  113    16.75%  32.74%  67.26%
        2014-15   1002      190    78  112    18.96%  41.05%  58.95%
        2015-16   1021      219    78  141    21.45%  35.62%  64.38%
        2016-17   1018      186    58  128    18.27%  31.18%  68.82%
        2017-18   1016      189    72  117    18.60%  38.10%  61.90%
        
        2012-18   6062     1148   403  745    18.94%  35.10%  64.90%
        Based on the 1988-89 season, the change from a 10 to 5 minute overtime resulted in shift from wins to ties of 19.5%. Since the 1988-89 season the shift to ties has been almost 0% (2014-15) to 10% (2012-13 % 2016-17), with an average of 6%. The shift to ties from 1975-76 to 1988-89 was also 10%. So, from this data it appears that the increase in ties is split almost equally between the change from 10 to 5 minute overtimes and the improvement of goalies and their equipment.

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        • #49
          Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

          Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
          I compiled the results for the 1988-89 season as that was the last one that had 10 minute overtimes, except for CCHA conference games which were 5 minute overtimes. I also realized that I had the 2008-09 season and that I could count all overtimes for the 1975-76, 1984-85 and 1988-89 (except for CCHA games) seasons, since all overtimes were 10 minutes. Therefore, all multiple overtime games were counted as ties.

          Code:
          Season  RS games OT games won tied %OT games   % won  % tied
          1975-76    582       65    46   19    11.17%  70.77%  29.23%  includes 2 multiple OT games counted as ties
          1984-85    876      115    79   36    13.13%  68.70%  31.30%  includes 4 multiple OT games counted as ties
          1988-89    714       92    56   36    12.89%  60.87%  39.13%  includes 5 multiple OT games counted as ties
          w/o CCHA
          1988-89    144       29    12   17    20.14%  41.38%  58.62%
          CCHA only	
          1998-99    922      144    55   89    15.62%  38.19%  61.81%
          2008-09    990      205    76  129    20.71%  37.07%  62.93%
          2012-13   1002      196    62  134    19.56%  31.63%  68.37%
          2013-14   1003      168    55  113    16.75%  32.74%  67.26%
          2014-15   1002      190    78  112    18.96%  41.05%  58.95%
          2015-16   1021      219    78  141    21.45%  35.62%  64.38%
          2016-17   1018      186    58  128    18.27%  31.18%  68.82%
          2017-18   1016      189    72  117    18.60%  38.10%  61.90%
          
          2012-18   6062     1148   403  745    18.94%  35.10%  64.90%
          Based on the 1988-89 season, the change from a 10 to 5 minute overtime resulted in shift from wins to ties of 19.5%. Since the 1988-89 season the shift to ties has been almost 0% (2014-15) to 10% (2012-13 % 2016-17), with an average of 6%. The shift to ties from 1975-76 to 1988-89 was also 10%. So, from this data it appears that the increase in ties is split almost equally between the change from 10 to 5 minute overtimes and the improvement of goalies and their equipment.

          Sean
          Thanks, makes sense but more hockey is always a good thing right?
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
            I compiled the results for the 1988-89 season as that was the last one that had 10 minute overtimes, except for CCHA conference games which were 5 minute overtimes. I also realized that I had the 2008-09 season and that I could count all overtimes for the 1975-76, 1984-85 and 1988-89 (except for CCHA games) seasons, since all overtimes were 10 minutes. Therefore, all multiple overtime games were counted as ties.

            Code:
            Season  RS games OT games won tied %OT games   % won  % tied
            1975-76    582       65    46   19    11.17%  70.77%  29.23%  includes 2 multiple OT games counted as ties
            1984-85    876      115    79   36    13.13%  68.70%  31.30%  includes 4 multiple OT games counted as ties
            1988-89    714       92    56   36    12.89%  60.87%  39.13%  includes 5 multiple OT games counted as ties
            w/o CCHA
            1988-89    144       29    12   17    20.14%  41.38%  58.62%
            CCHA only	
            1998-99    922      144    55   89    15.62%  38.19%  61.81%
            2008-09    990      205    76  129    20.71%  37.07%  62.93%
            2012-13   1002      196    62  134    19.56%  31.63%  68.37%
            2013-14   1003      168    55  113    16.75%  32.74%  67.26%
            2014-15   1002      190    78  112    18.96%  41.05%  58.95%
            2015-16   1021      219    78  141    21.45%  35.62%  64.38%
            2016-17   1018      186    58  128    18.27%  31.18%  68.82%
            2017-18   1016      189    72  117    18.60%  38.10%  61.90%
            
            2012-18   6062     1148   403  745    18.94%  35.10%  64.90%
            Based on the 1988-89 season, the change from a 10 to 5 minute overtime resulted in shift from wins to ties of 19.5%. Since the 1988-89 season the shift to ties has been almost 0% (2014-15) to 10% (2012-13 % 2016-17), with an average of 6%. The shift to ties from 1975-76 to 1988-89 was also 10%. So, from this data it appears that the increase in ties is split almost equally between the change from 10 to 5 minute overtimes and the improvement of goalies and their equipment.

            Sean
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            • #51
              Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

              Originally posted by John J. MacInnes View Post
              First of all, you haven't seen a media timeout in the final minute. If the last one hasn't been taken by the 1:00 mark, it gets dropped.
              My understanding is that if a media timeout doesn't happen by 18:00 Hockey Time, it gets dropped. Source: it happened at a game I was working last year.

              TBF I can't confirm if this is set by the NCAA or by conferences or what.

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              • #52
                Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

                Originally posted by tape View Post
                My understanding is that if a media timeout doesn't happen by 18:00 Hockey Time, it gets dropped. Source: it happened at a game I was working last year.

                TBF I can't confirm if this is set by the NCAA or by conferences or what.
                There's no protocol in the official rule book. Typically, it is set by the conferences and/or tournament hosts. The ECAC mandates first non-no-change (and should also be non-goal, RPI) stoppage at even strength after 10:00 in period. AHC mandates three at 5:00 intervals. Other leagues I imagine have similar.

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                • #53
                  Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

                  Just my opinion but things I would like to see and why.

                  4 on 4 ot. it would make defensive teams come out of their shell.
                  Less penalties on a gentle push being checking from behind. Too often some guy dives and gets a call he doesn't deserve. (Especially Duluth.)
                  I'm all for protecting players but embellishment could be a stand alone call couldn't it?

                  Things I would be totally against.
                  the b1g age rule. if you want smaller programs to drop hockey, implement it and see what happens.
                  the "I can transfer any time I want to" proposal. see above.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by manurespreader View Post
                    Just my opinion but things I would like to see and why.

                    4 on 4 ot. it would make defensive teams come out of their shell.
                    Less penalties on a gentle push being checking from behind. Too often some guy dives and gets a call he doesn't deserve. (Especially Duluth.)
                    I'm all for protecting players but embellishment could be a stand alone call couldn't it?

                    Things I would be totally against.
                    the b1g age rule. if you want smaller programs to drop hockey, implement it and see what happens.
                    the "I can transfer any time I want to" proposal. see above.
                    If you go to 4x4, then a win in regulation has to be worth more than a win using less than 5x5.

                    The WCHA overtime is a good starting point for debate.
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                    • #55
                      Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

                      Originally posted by joecct View Post
                      If you go to 4x4, then a win in regulation has to be worth more than a win using less than 5x5.
                      Tied at end of regulation: 1 pt to each team. OT winner gets additional point.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by MarkEagleUSA View Post
                        Tied at end of regulation: 1 pt to each team. OT winner gets additional point.
                        I don't like the loser point. Points have to add up. A game is worth 2 points that ends in 60 minutes has less value if it ends before 65 minutes.

                        I prefer 3-2-1.
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                        5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
                        1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                        ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                        - Benjamin Franklin

                        Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                        I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          I don't like the loser point. Points have to add up. A game is worth 2 points that ends in 60 minutes has less value if it ends before 65 minutes.

                          I prefer 3-2-1.
                          ...contact!

                          Sorry, had to.

                          Maybe it's just me, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with a tie. Heck, I'd be OK with having a tie after 60 minutes. This whole skills contest and changing the game for overtime is plain garbage. Either have a tie, or do OTs playoff style.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

                            Originally posted by MarkEagleUSA View Post
                            Tied at end of regulation: 1 pt to each team. OT winner gets additional point.
                            That's exactly what the NHL does and I think there's a better way. Call me bias but I actually like what the B1G does in hockey. 3 points to a winner in regulation, 3 points to a winner in OT, OT ends in a tie then each team gets a point and the winner of the shootout gets the 3rd and final point. OK, I'm not totally thrilled with SO's but the casual fan wants closure so we have to. The SO's of course are not counted in NCAA standings, they only matter for league standings.
                            Originally posted by alfablue
                            Still bitter, eh? Gotta get over it someday. He left, and UMICH was right.
                            Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio
                            I think Notre Dame should wear sparkly silver helmets to match all their runner-up trophies.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

                              Originally posted by manurespreader View Post
                              I'm all for protecting players but embellishment could be a stand alone call couldn't it?
                              There is a stand alone rule. Diving. The rule book specifically refers to it as a "stand alone" penalty. Embellishment is called when a player is fouled, the penalty is called, but the referee decides the player tries to "sell" the penalty with too much acting. Diving is called when no foul is committed but a player acts like someone committed a penalty. In my opinion diving is not much of an issue in the college game. (I don't watch enough NHL hockey anymore to know if it is there) I think embellishing is an issue, and I'd like to see it penalized with both a 2-minute minor for embellishment AND an addition 10 minute misconduct penalty.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Rule Changes: Who got screwed and wants a fix?

                                Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                                There is a stand alone rule. Diving. The rule book specifically refers to it as a "stand alone" penalty. Embellishment is called when a player is fouled, the penalty is called, but the referee decides the player tries to "sell" the penalty with too much acting. Diving is called when no foul is committed but a player acts like someone committed a penalty. In my opinion diving is not much of an issue in the college game. (I don't watch enough NHL hockey anymore to know if it is there) I think embellishing is an issue, and I'd like to see it penalized with both a 2-minute minor for embellishment AND an addition 10 minute misconduct penalty.
                                Could have fooled me; we saw a couple "Unsportsmanlike Conduct - Diving" calls this past year. And given the derogatory nicknames of some of the teams that are thrown around college hockey, it's a good thing it exists. Not sure it needs to be that harsh, so much as let's get over the hurdle of it actually being called.

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