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    Put the second referee up in the press box. My case argument.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    Ban media timeouts (burn them all between periods, pregame and post game), 20 minute OT (who doesn't want to watch more free hockey, what's the rush to get home?), call all interference, review no plays (didn't have reviews for how many years and the game survived just fine).
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Back in the dark ages (pre mid 90s), all NCAA overtimes were 10 minutes.

    Then the evil CCHA went to 5 minute OTs and the rest of the NCAA soon followed.

    And nobody resurfaced
    I remember them resurfacing before the OT. Once after the 15 minute intermission before OT, a goal was scored
    in OT after about 30 seconds. That was a long time to wait for the OT goal. Also, please get rid of those media timeouts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    Go to a 10 minute overtime instead of 5 minutes....BUT NO Shoot-Outs....
    This was discussed in detail two years ago when the rules committee recommended 4x4 overtime. You can read all the posts in the Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses thread and the Women's Forum NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Back in the dark ages (pre mid 90s), all NCAA overtimes were 10 minutes.

    Then the evil CCHA went to 5 minute OTs and the rest of the NCAA soon followed.

    And nobody resurfaced
    In the NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17 thread I posted this short history of NCAA overtime:
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    I see conflicting information, but it appears that the NHL did have full ten-minute overtime periods until Nov 1942, when it was eliminated due to wartime travel restrictions. It was not reintroduced until the 1983-84 season, when it was a 5 minute sudden death overtime period. On the other hand, the NCAA has always had overtime: through the 1936-37 season overtime consisted of a 10-minute overtime and if still tied a second 10-minute overtime. Starting in 1937-38 overtime was reduced to a single 10-minute overtime and starting with the 1949-50 season a single 10-minute sudden death overtime period was played. It was changed to a 5 minute overtime starting with the 1989-90 season, falling in line with the NHL's 5 minute overtime. Also, if I recall correctly it was stated that 70% of all overtime games that had a winner were decided in the first 5 minutes, so shortening of the period would not change the outcome of many games.
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    In the NCAA Committee Recommends Change To Overtime In 2016-17 thread I posted this short history of NCAA overtime:


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    Any chance you have the ability the ratio of OT wins to ties then and now? I have a feeling that with today's goaltending and scoring rates it's nowhere near what it was back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gochiefs View Post
    I remember them resurfacing before the OT. Once after the 15 minute intermission before OT, a goal was scored
    in OT after about 30 seconds. That was a long time to wait for the OT goal. Also, please get rid of those media timeouts!
    Those media timeouts are very valuable to your radio and TV partners. You don’t get on TV without those time outs. Your radio outlets have a harder time meeting their expenses without those timeouts.

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    Also, please get rid of those media timeouts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by davyd83 View Post
    Those media timeouts are very valuable to your radio and TV partners. You don’t get on TV without those time outs. Your radio outlets have a harder time meeting their expenses without those timeouts.
    Perhaps they need to bring back the 10 second ad, run it during a stoppage (even if it's "side by side" like IRL does), and be back in time for the faceoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Perhaps they need to bring back the 10 second ad, run it during a stoppage (even if it's "side by side" like IRL does), and be back in time for the faceoff.
    From a production standpoint, that idea is a nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davyd83 View Post
    Those media timeouts are very valuable to your radio and TV partners. You don’t get on TV without those time outs. Your radio outlets have a harder time meeting their expenses without those timeouts.
    I realize that media timeouts are here to stay. They can be utilized so much better, to not interrupt the flow of the game. I'm sure we've all seen instances where, due to icing, penalties, goals a long spans without whistles, etc, where there have been 2 media timeouts within 2 minutes (or less). Media timeouts should never happen in the last minute of a period, much less a game (seen both a lot).

    There's also no reason the play-by-play person cannot run some advertisements. The microphone plugs into a control box of some sort. All you need is a button to push to play a quick add. Or, they can go old school and have the color commentator actually read ads on air. Traveling and don't have a color guy? The team has two players not playing. Good PR for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdt1081 View Post
    I realize that media timeouts are here to stay. They can be utilized so much better, to not interrupt the flow of the game. I'm sure we've all seen instances where, due to icing, penalties, goals a long spans without whistles, etc, where there have been 2 media timeouts within 2 minutes (or less). Media timeouts should never happen in the last minute of a period, much less a game (seen both a lot).

    There's also no reason the play-by-play person cannot run some advertisements. The microphone plugs into a control box of some sort. All you need is a button to push to play a quick add. Or, they can go old school and have the color commentator actually read ads on air. Traveling and don't have a color guy? The team has two players not playing. Good PR for them.
    First of all, you haven't seen a media timeout in the final minute. If the last one hasn't been taken by the 1:00 mark, it gets dropped.

    As far as non-dressing players, some leagues don't allow them in the pressbox. And it also potentially puts them in a difficult position depending on what happens in the game. I'm sure if you think PBP guys should be reading or playing ads, you don't want them also training a new analyst at the same time.

    The "fast faceoff" rules have strained the ability to get ads placed during the period. That's the reason media timeouts were introduced in the first place in college hockey. And if you think that all the spots should just be moved to the intermissions or pregame, how many people do you think would just not listen if they knew that was coming? No listeners = no one buys ads = you lose the broadcast.

    And remember it's not the radio guys who are calling for these timeouts. They're at the mercy of the referees and off-ice officials and have to react on the fly. That's after many if not most spend their weeks selling these spots and many times producing them so that they are ready for a show.

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    Perhaps we should consider another example: soccer. That's approximately 50 minutes of straight broadcast (45 minute half, a couple minutes stoppage time, 1 minute for intro, 1 minute for outro). An ice hockey period without commercials is around 30 minutes. How does soccer get away with it? What can we learn from those lessons to apply to our game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Perhaps we should consider another example: soccer. That's approximately 50 minutes of straight broadcast (45 minute half, a couple minutes stoppage time, 1 minute for intro, 1 minute for outro). An ice hockey period without commercials is around 30 minutes. How does soccer get away with it? What can we learn from those lessons to apply to our game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevengeance View Post
    Any chance you have the ability the ratio of OT wins to ties then and now? I have a feeling that with today's goaltending and scoring rates it's nowhere near what it was back then.
    At this time what I have is limited, but here is what I do have:

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    Season  RS games OT games won tied %OT games   % won  % tied
    1975-76    552       61    44   17    11.05%  72.13%  27.87%
    1984-85    805      109    77   32    13.54%  70.64%  29.36%
    1998-99    922      144    55   89    15.62%  38.19%  61.81%
    2012-13   1002      196    62  134    19.56%  31.63%  68.37%
    2013-14   1003      168    55  113    16.75%  32.74%  67.26%
    2014-15   1002      190    78  112    18.96%  41.05%  58.95%
    2015-16   1021      219    78  141    21.45%  35.62%  64.38%
    2016-17   1018      186    58  128    18.27%  31.18%  68.82%
    2017-18   1016      189    72  117    18.60%  38.10%  61.90%
    
    2012-18   6062     1148   403  745    18.94%  35.10%  64.90%
    The numbers are for regular season games only and any multiple overtimes have been excluded. However, there may be a few single overtime games that went beyond the 5/10 minute mark if the games required a winner for an in season tournament. As can be seen the percentage of games that have gone into overtime has increased from 11% in 1975-76 to an average of 18.6% over the past six seasons. The percentage of games tied after overtime has increased from 28% in 1975-76 to an average of 64.9% over the past six seasons, with a low of 58.95% in 2014-15 to a high of 68.82% in 2016-17.

    That is a significant increase, but some of it is due to the shortening of overtime from 10 to 5 minutes. As I posted previously, I believe at the time the change was made it was stated that 70% of all games won in overtime occurred in the first 5 minutes. Assuming that is accurate, then in 1975-76 another 13 games would have been tied after 5 minutes and in 1984-85 another 23 games would have been tied. That would change the numbers to 31 won and 30 tied in 1975-76 and 54 won and 55 tied in 1984-85. That would drop the gap from 65%-29% to 65%-50%. Using the same percentage, if overtime was still 10 minutes, in 1998-99 another 24 games would have been won, bring the numbers to 79 won and 65 tied, and over the past six seasons another 173 games would have been won, bringing the numbers to 576 won and 572 tied. That would drop the gap from between 1975-76 and the past six seasons from 65%-29% to 50%-29%. The best way to see how the change from 10 to 5 minute overtimes affected the number of ties would be to look at the seasons immediately before and after the change, but I currently don't have that information readily available.

    Also, the percentage of games that have gone into overtime has increased. As can be seen 11% of games in 1975-76, 13.5% of games in 1984-85 and 15.6% of the games in 1998-99 went to overtime, while the past six seasons 18.94% of games have gone to overtime. Part of this is the changes in NCAA rules regarding opponents, as in 1975-76 and 1984-85 teams regularly played games against Canadian (32 & 51), DII (52 & 8), DIII (17 & 48), NAIA (4 & 16) and even club teams (2 & 6) that were all counted as games. Now, very few games are played against non-DI opponents outside of exhibition games. This disparity in opponents is reflected in the average margin of victory, which has decreased from 3.272 in 1975-76 to 2.975 in 1984-85 to an average of 2.152 over the past five seasons.

    Of course, better goaltending and lower scoring is also a factor, as the average goals per games in 1975-76 was 9.828, in 1984-85 it was 8.662, in 1998-99 it was 6.436 and over the past five seasons it has averaged 5.613.

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    On the ice, I'd like to see shootouts and the trapezoid. Both would make the game better for the fans instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John J. MacInnes View Post
    First of all, you haven't seen a media timeout in the final minute. If the last one hasn't been taken by the 1:00 mark, it gets dropped.
    I have many times. It happens fairly often in Bowling Green. Pretty sure there was one instance this season or last where a media timeout happened in the final 30 seconds of a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdt1081 View Post
    I have many times. It happens fairly often in Bowling Green. Pretty sure there was one instance this season or last where a media timeout happened in the final 30 seconds of a game.
    Then that's the fault of either the official or the off-ice timekeeper, because it's WCHA policy that you aren't supposed to do that.

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    Soccer... That's approximately 50 minutes of straight broadcast (45 minute half, a couple minutes stoppage time, 1 minute for intro, 1 minute for outro). An ice hockey period without commercials is around 30 minutes. How does soccer get away with it?
    Because no one is actually watching soccer...
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