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Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
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Originally posted by UNO View PostMy problem with this is it's still incompatible with a supposedly infallible, omnipotent deity. If the God of Abraham is infallible, and Jesus is God made flesh, why did the narrative need changing?
I gave you that answer because I know that's the type of answer your looking for. In reality, we can't prove that God is omnipotent and we can't prove that He's not. So the question is kind of moot and we Christians don't spend much time wrestling it. Its really about the implications of the whole thing that matter...and that's an ongoing discussion by itself.
Originally posted by UNO View PostAnd we've gone round and round before on how mainstream Christianity relies on more than just the 4 gospels. Again, you don't have to believe that, but you do have to acknowledge that your interpretation doesn't match up with the majority of others.Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostDifferences between the OT and Gospels seem to be super common on this thread because that's pretty much all skeptics want to talk about.
You still don't seem to understand that skeptics don't think much about the Bible -- it's just another work of fiction to us. We also don't think much about believers who are happy to believe and let others do the same or not. What we do think about is the believers who are also fanatically trying to jam their interpretations down everyone else's throat, and whose interpretations are (unsurprisingly) usually both historically and logically inept.Cornell University
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostNo, this is disingenuous or ignorant. The heart of biblical exegesis has been such differences, and that work has been carried on by deeply religious Christians for the very good reason that they cared what God was trying to tell them.
Originally posted by Kepler View PostYou still don't seem to understand that skeptics don't think much about the Bible -- it's just another work of fiction to us. We also don't think much about believers who are happy to believe and let others do the same or not. What we do think about is the believers who are also fanatically trying to jam their interpretations down everyone else's throat, and whose interpretations are (unsurprisingly) usually both historically and logically inept.Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostFor a nonbeliever 'who doesn't care' and hates people 'jamming their interpretations down everyone's throat'...aren't you kind of the champion averaging about 25% of posts on a thread that shouldn't concern you?
And show me once where I've tried to impose my beliefs on you. You can worship Russell's teapot all you want. That's cool by me. Just don't tell me that my lack of gullibility implies a lack of ethics because that will get you sucking on rhetorical soup.Cornell University
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostI'm fascinated by myth. Why would you deny me that discussion?
And show me once where I've tried to impose my beliefs on you. You can worship Russell's teapot all you want. That's cool by me. Just don't tell me that my lack of gullibility implies a lack of ethics because that will get you sucking on rhetorical soup.CCT '77 & '78
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Originally posted by joecct View PostGood point, but what is your "rock" (so to speak) on which you build your ethics?Cornell University
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostThere is no rock. Everything is change. Everything is a negotiation. It is up to us. We wake up and remake the world every day.CCT '77 & '78
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- Benjamin Franklin
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Originally posted by joecct View PostDoes that imply there is a line in the sand that you can cross?
Ethics are human, as distinct from animal. The characteristic of human is social and negotiated -- "of mind." We have games and languages and laws and gods that we made up out of our own heads. So too do we have ethics.
So the bedrock of ethics is human-ness. It's the opposite of divine decree or natural law. It's invention, not discovery. And it changes, at least around the edges, all the time, like every other one of our inventions.Last edited by Kepler; 04-17-2018, 02:32 PM.Cornell University
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostI have no idea what this means...
Will you ever vote R?
Will you ever embrace a Bostonian?
If relocated, would you move to Birmingham, AL?CCT '77 & '78
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”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
- Benjamin Franklin
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I want to live forever. So far, so good.
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Originally posted by joecct View PostBased on past posts....
Will you ever vote R?
Will you ever embrace a Bostonian?
If relocated, would you move to Birmingham, AL?Cornell University
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostI'm fascinated by myth. Why would you deny me that discussion?
And show me once where I've tried to impose my beliefs on you. You can worship Russell's teapot all you want. That's cool by me. Just don't tell me that my lack of gullibility implies a lack of ethics because that will get you sucking on rhetorical soup.Go Gophers!
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Christianity's problem right now is that it's perceived as bitter, hateful, resentful, and that it sends a message of "God only loves you if you're white, conservative, heterosexual, cisgender, and you believe exactly like us." In private, such as my conversations with Rev. Jen, is that 98% of Christians aren't like that. I just wish the 98% would start speaking up and saying "*******s don't speak for us."
The reverend has helped me understand that she's in the silent majority. I walk into Grace Episcopal and I don't get a second look for wearing a skirt or carrying a purse.Facebook: bcowles920 Instagram: missthundercat01
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