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    Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

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      Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

      Originally posted by UNO View Post
      My problem with this is it's still incompatible with a supposedly infallible, omnipotent deity. If the God of Abraham is infallible, and Jesus is God made flesh, why did the narrative need changing?
      There are numerous perspectives. One that I think has merits is how the needs of civilization vary based on societal progress. If you look at 2000BC vs. 34BC...you'd find a very different world (as you would 34BC vs. today). In 2000BC, I wouldn't be surprised if sexual abuse was rampant. Therefore, the primary divine messages needed to progress society might be different.

      I gave you that answer because I know that's the type of answer your looking for. In reality, we can't prove that God is omnipotent and we can't prove that He's not. So the question is kind of moot and we Christians don't spend much time wrestling it. Its really about the implications of the whole thing that matter...and that's an ongoing discussion by itself.

      Originally posted by UNO View Post
      And we've gone round and round before on how mainstream Christianity relies on more than just the 4 gospels. Again, you don't have to believe that, but you do have to acknowledge that your interpretation doesn't match up with the majority of others.
      Regarding the OT..most of the time there's no difference between the OT and the Gospels. Differences between the OT and Gospels seem to be super common on this thread because that's pretty much all skeptics want to talk about. 'My interpretation' is that where there's a difference of opinion between the OT and the Gospels, Jesus trumps. This is 100% - hence the reason that the OT is the foundation and the Gospels are the faith. By and large, mainstream Christianity puts Jesus as God first...and those who don't follow specifically Jesus, do not fit the definition of Christian.
      Go Gophers!

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        Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

        Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
        Differences between the OT and Gospels seem to be super common on this thread because that's pretty much all skeptics want to talk about.
        No, this is disingenuous or ignorant. The heart of biblical exegesis has been such differences, and that work has been carried on by deeply religious Christians for the very good reason that they cared what God was trying to tell them.

        You still don't seem to understand that skeptics don't think much about the Bible -- it's just another work of fiction to us. We also don't think much about believers who are happy to believe and let others do the same or not. What we do think about is the believers who are also fanatically trying to jam their interpretations down everyone else's throat, and whose interpretations are (unsurprisingly) usually both historically and logically inept.
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          Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          No, this is disingenuous or ignorant. The heart of biblical exegesis has been such differences, and that work has been carried on by deeply religious Christians for the very good reason that they cared what God was trying to tell them.
          Do not confuse different foci for differences. Per passage, the two texts do not directly conflict that much. This by deeply religious theologians and more mainstream Christians alike.

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          You still don't seem to understand that skeptics don't think much about the Bible -- it's just another work of fiction to us. We also don't think much about believers who are happy to believe and let others do the same or not. What we do think about is the believers who are also fanatically trying to jam their interpretations down everyone else's throat, and whose interpretations are (unsurprisingly) usually both historically and logically inept.
          For a nonbeliever 'who doesn't care' and hates people 'jamming their interpretations down everyone's throat'...aren't you kind of the champion averaging about 25% of posts on a thread that shouldn't concern you?
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            Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

            Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
            For a nonbeliever 'who doesn't care' and hates people 'jamming their interpretations down everyone's throat'...aren't you kind of the champion averaging about 25% of posts on a thread that shouldn't concern you?
            I'm fascinated by myth. Why would you deny me that discussion?

            And show me once where I've tried to impose my beliefs on you. You can worship Russell's teapot all you want. That's cool by me. Just don't tell me that my lack of gullibility implies a lack of ethics because that will get you sucking on rhetorical soup.
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              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              I'm fascinated by myth. Why would you deny me that discussion?

              And show me once where I've tried to impose my beliefs on you. You can worship Russell's teapot all you want. That's cool by me. Just don't tell me that my lack of gullibility implies a lack of ethics because that will get you sucking on rhetorical soup.
              Good point, but what is your "rock" (so to speak) on which you build your ethics?
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                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Good point, but what is your "rock" (so to speak) on which you build your ethics?
                Don't be an *******. What other rock is needed?

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                  Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Good point, but what is your "rock" (so to speak) on which you build your ethics?
                  There is no rock. Everything is change. Everything is a negotiation. It is up to us. We wake up and remake the world every day.
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                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    There is no rock. Everything is change. Everything is a negotiation. It is up to us. We wake up and remake the world every day.
                    Does that imply there is a line in the sand that you can cross?
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                      Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                      Originally posted by joecct View Post
                      Does that imply there is a line in the sand that you can cross?
                      I have no idea what this means.

                      Ethics are human, as distinct from animal. The characteristic of human is social and negotiated -- "of mind." We have games and languages and laws and gods that we made up out of our own heads. So too do we have ethics.

                      So the bedrock of ethics is human-ness. It's the opposite of divine decree or natural law. It's invention, not discovery. And it changes, at least around the edges, all the time, like every other one of our inventions.
                      Last edited by Kepler; 04-17-2018, 02:32 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        I have no idea what this means...
                        Based on past posts....

                        Will you ever vote R?
                        Will you ever embrace a Bostonian?
                        If relocated, would you move to Birmingham, AL?
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                        • #13
                          Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          Based on past posts....

                          Will you ever vote R?
                          Will you ever embrace a Bostonian?
                          If relocated, would you move to Birmingham, AL?
                          None of those are ethical statements.
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                            Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            I'm fascinated by myth. Why would you deny me that discussion?

                            And show me once where I've tried to impose my beliefs on you. You can worship Russell's teapot all you want. That's cool by me. Just don't tell me that my lack of gullibility implies a lack of ethics because that will get you sucking on rhetorical soup.
                            Soo...you try to 'convince' others - while others 'jam it down your throat'. And others are gullible because they believe but not you - yet you somehow 'know' a 100% unknowable truth. This discussion doesn't interest me.
                            Go Gophers!

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                              Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                              Christianity's problem right now is that it's perceived as bitter, hateful, resentful, and that it sends a message of "God only loves you if you're white, conservative, heterosexual, cisgender, and you believe exactly like us." In private, such as my conversations with Rev. Jen, is that 98% of Christians aren't like that. I just wish the 98% would start speaking up and saying "*******s don't speak for us."

                              The reverend has helped me understand that she's in the silent majority. I walk into Grace Episcopal and I don't get a second look for wearing a skirt or carrying a purse.
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