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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    You just refuted point #1 with point #2. How the heck do you think you're going to enforce any of this socialist crap that you spew? Learn from what happened under Stalin and Mao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Amazing what happens when you use bureaucracy to force out your competition, like subsidizing $1.46 for every piece of mail.
    The problem with the idea that 'government just serves to destroy private enterprise'. Government provides services that private enterprise won't (cheap mail to rural areas, public education to everyone), can't (military) or that is much better because consumers prefer it (secondary education).

    Even then, much of the time the government does anything...it buys from private enterprise and unlike everyone else, usually buys American. The government is easily the largest employer, largest customer from private enterprise and largest producer of goods and services and so benefits society in many ways. This is a good thing...because otherwise, we have no security, no air travel, no roads, no productivity (education), and millions would probably be on the streets - resulting in no taxes in even fewer societal benefits yet. Private enterprise makes our lives infinitely better...but with inadequate government you're still living in a third world country.
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    IMO you want Government and the Private Sector in balance at all times. In the US, we're 20 trillion (the original heist) out of balance. The Republicans just piled on another 13 trillion.

    Unfettered capitalism is as dangerous as unfettered government. The trick is to balance the two. And there is only one party interested in doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    IMO you want Government and the Private Sector in balance at all times. In the US, we're 20 trillion (the original heist) out of balance. The Republicans just piled on another 13 trillion.

    Unfettered capitalism is as dangerous as unfettered government. The trick is to balance the two. And there is only one party interested in doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    IMO you want Government and the Private Sector in balance at all times. In the US, we're 20 trillion (the original heist) out of balance. The Republicans just piled on another 13 trillion.

    Unfettered capitalism is as dangerous as unfettered government. The trick is to balance the two. And there is only one party interested in doing that.
    We do want government, private sector and the people to be in balance. I believe they largely are. Cooperation between the three is just as critical. As I've said before, the balance and cooperation between the three here in Minnesota is one reason why the state works so well.
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    We do want government, private sector and the people to be in balance. I believe they largely are. Cooperation between the three is just as critical. As I've said before, the balance and cooperation between the three here in Minnesota is one reason why the state works so well.
    They're not even close. 20 trillion going on 33 trillion.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Unfettered capitalism is as dangerous as unfettered government. The trick is to balance the two. And there is only one party interested in doing that.
    Nailed it. Wow, a rational post from Scooby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    They're not even close. 20 trillion going on 33 trillion.
    The amount stolen by the banksters in 2006 dwarfs that. They have more than $20T hidden offshore alone. God knows what the real amount is. The combined wealth of everyone in the world is about $250T, and the 1% control half of it.

    So assume they stole half their net worth: the difference between the 1% controlling 25% and 50% of the world's assets.

    That's about $60T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The amount stolen by the banksters in 2006 dwarfs that. They have more than $20T hidden offshore alone. God knows what the real amount is. The combined wealth of everyone in the world is about $250T, and the 1% control half of it.

    So assume they stole half their net worth: the difference between the 1% controlling 25% and 50% of the world's assets.

    That's about $60T.

    Pay up.
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    Cause in 20 months youíll have enough to pass and override tD veto.

    Giddy up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Good
    Cause in 20 months you’ll have enough to pass and override tD veto.

    Giddy up!

    No excuses
    2004 called. It reminded us that even a complete trainwreck gets a ton of support when it floats on a sea of Koch money.

    But there is Churchill's hope that America can be counted upon to do the right thing after exhausting all possible alternatives. Dumpy certainly seems to be The Last Worst Choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Amazing what happens when you use bureaucracy to force out your competition, like subsidizing $1.46 for every piece of mail.
    The post office is explicitly provided for in the Constitution. I thought you were all for the Constitution?


    It's problem isn't that it's a government agency, but that half of its board of governors, aka Congress, hamstring it as talking points to rubes like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Good
    Cause in 20 months youíll have enough to pass and override tD veto.

    Giddy up!

    No excuses
    It is impossible to get a veto proof majority in the Senate absent a wave of special elections.

    The dems could win every seat on the ballot this November and that would only get them to 58 seats. That's not even filibuster proof, let alone veto proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Company towns?

    Do they still exist in the US? Finland?
    Hershey, PA is close.

    Colorado Springs, CO in a tangential way.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

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    It is impossible to get a veto proof majority in the Senate absent a wave of special elections.

    The dems could win every seat on the ballot this November and that would only get them to 58 seats. That's not even filibuster proof, let alone veto proof.
    not expecting even a single party switcher like ben nighthorse campbell or whatnot?
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    Hershey, PA is close.

    Colorado Springs, CO in a tangential way.
    at least hershey has a casino for the unwashed to become rich
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    The post office is explicitly provided for in the Constitution. I thought you were all for the Constitution?


    It's problem isn't that it's a government agency, but that half of its board of governors, aka Congress, hamstring it as talking points to rubes like you.
    Iíve never understood why the post office somehow needs to run a surplus. Does the FBI? Does the White House? What about Congress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Hershey, PA is close.

    Colorado Springs, CO in a tangential way.
    Mega-Church town?

    Seattle used to be owned by Boeing but outgrew them. Same with Youngstown/US Steel, Johnstown/US Steel, Goodyear/Akron.

    Atlanta is divided up between Delta and Coke.

    Memphis is all but owned by FedEx IINM.

    There are lots of mining towns out west that are run by the mining company. Some of those towns are even named after the company and/or the resource mined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Iíve never understood why the post office somehow needs to run a surplus. Does the FBI? Does the White House? What about Congress?
    just what in the blue he!! makes you think you can just waltz in here and present a rational argument!?!?! hmm?!?!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    LOL. You're so brainwashed.

    For the record:

    1. We have overlords now, you sad, silly sap. I want to get rid of the overlords. I want people freed from need so they can tell any would-be overlord to f-ck himself.

    2. I want private ownership. I just want a salary cap.

    3. I want all the good things we can get our hands on. I just think that if the price of allowing someone their 30th house is that 3 million people don't get any house then that price is too high.

    4. I'm not eliminating work or income or property. I'm making them non-mandatory to exist. We've already done precisely the same thing in a small and insufficient way with unemployment insurance and welfare and health insurance. I'm just raising the amount to cover a decent existence, and also covering things like education which allow you to grow even more free and, incidentally, more productive.

    The thing dupes like Flag will never understand is I loathe the collective and extol individuality more than anybody on the so-called "libertarian" right. I just recognize that allowing a handful of obscenely wealthy individuals their complete freedom curses the vast majority of other individuals to no freedom at all. If you care about personal freedom you should create a dignified floor that all of humanity stands on where they are free enough to take it from there themselves. Only the relentless propaganda of the last several centuries has made weak minds equate that impulse with being against freedom and individuality.
    1. Yep. We do of every political stripe.
    2. Yes and No. If I am better than you in something, I should make more. However, obscene differences are, well, obscene.
    3. The Red/Green Tax Act would have ended that. Flippers, who distort the real estate market, need to be strictly regulated.
    4. Sounds like everyone gets a participation trophy. Why compete if you don't have to?

    I don't mind wealthy people. What they do with that wealth is what is important. One mansion and a yacht is enough.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Hershey, PA is close.

    Colorado Springs, CO in a tangential way.
    Colorado Springs is a military town if anything. Mega churches/moral whacktivists would be a very distant 2nd.

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