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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I just ran out on the first register I ever got back when I first got my checkbook.
    I haven't lived at the address on my checks in 10 years. Can't remember the last time I used one...

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    I use them to pay people sometimes when they donít have Wells Fargo. I donít like using PayPal or Venmo though. But I will if someone asks. So maybe I shouldnít be so quick to cast stones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    And credit card debt.
    I put most purchases on my credit card (gas, food, Amazon) and just pay it all off at the end of the month. My mortgage and auto loan is automatically withdrawn from my checking account each month. I have an REI members card, which gives me an extra 1% back in my yearly REI co-op dividend. Last year I earned about $550 at REI from using my credit card.

    I just log in to my bank account a couple times a week to make sure there arenít any unusual charges. I donít worry about how much money I have before I use my debit card or pay my kids violin teacher (one of they only things I use a check for) because I just keep a cushion of $5k or so in that account.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Ditto. Iíve paid for all sorts of trips on my credit card using points. Iíve also had it since I was 15.

    Never paid a penny in interest.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Food for thought, the next time someone tells you how great non-union shops and "right-to-work" laws are, or that OSHA is a pesky waste of taxpayer money.
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    On the other hand, one of the only remaining union plants in my company also has the highest injury rate.

    Iím not saying unions are bad, but they arenít the panacea like people sometimes treat them.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    On the other hand, one of the only remaining union plants in my company also has the highest injury rate.

    I’m not saying unions are bad, but they aren’t the panacea like people sometimes treat them.
    Ultimately, it's about holding management accountable. No one is doing that. The OSHA fines are paltry in the face of the money being made.
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    Yes, thatís a big part of it. Especially when those fines can be substituted or written off.

    But itís also about culture. The non-union plants in my division have some of the best operators in the company. Thereís loyalty and eagerness to be involved. At the union plant itís a race to the bottom. New pipe fitters are routinely shamed into not doing anything above the fold. One guy will literally sit on a bucket - all day if he has to - until you walk out to talk to him. The products are less dangerous yet have a higher LTI rate. Itís baffling.

    You go into the non-union parts of the division and the reactors are clean, tools are put back, and they want to be involved in the design and engineering process.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I'd rather allocate those resources to all teachers, but particularly those in history, literature, music, and other important subjects.
    lord knows the world needs more English lit b.a. holders
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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    lord knows the world needs more English lit b.a. holders
    Not that, but more people who can write coherent sentences with correct uses of noun, verb, adjective, subject, object, etc.

    Plus reading the dead white guys and girls who wrote good stuff.

    Maybe if they made Shakespeare or Shelley into a video game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Not that, but more people who can write coherent sentences with correct uses of noun, verb, adjective, subject, object, etc.

    Plus reading the dead white guys and girls who wrote good stuff.

    Maybe if they made Shakespeare or Shelley into a video game...
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    home economics as in the economics of running a household. How many college kids can balance a checkbook??
    Joe missed by that much ...

    We've all taken courses on the subjects already mentioned. And they're important.

    How many have taken a course on using and managing money? Think about it. We all deal with it every day. How many have taken a course about ... money. Sure, econ. Uh. No. Math course? Uh sure, but no. I mean a course where you literally are forced to make spending decision on what to buy, where you figure out what that quarter point of interest costs you; where you run the numbers and see that you can not afford to not work an hour a day for yourself* (meaning save it for retirement) from the first day on the job.

    Look even here: how many proudly state "from mom and dad" or "self-taught". And we wonder why we as a society have the credit card debt we do, or get ripped off on credit scams.

    Part of me wonders why such a course isn't required in HS. Then again, if most don't understand these things it's all the better for those who do. <-- I think we've found the key.


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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    The Finns appear to be walking away from their "basic income" trial.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43866700
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    The Finns appear to be walking away from their "basic income" trial.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43866700
    But apparently not for knuckledragger reasons. For example, one of the competing options is negative income tax, which is effectively the same thing, and another is universal credits which are even more generous.

    The trial is not being extended for process reasons, not ideology.

    Labor as coercion is gradually passing away, just as slavery and debtors' prison did, and good riddance to it and all the ideological superstructure of the "dignity of labor" that was employed to undergird inequality. No doubt the ruling class will deploy some other malarkey to justify its privilege (I mean, unless they just go to naked violence).
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    Labor as coercion

    "When a man is running from his boss who holds a gun that fires cost."
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Company towns?

    Do they still exist in the US? Finland?

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    Paul Krugman's Editorial on the School Teacher Strike phenomenon around the country.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/o...imes&smtyp=cur

    One way to think about whatís currently happening in a number of states is that the anti-Obama backlash, combined with the growing tribalism of American politics, delivered a number of state governments into the hands of extreme right-wing ideologues. These ideologues really believed that they could usher in a low-tax, small-government, libertarian utopia.

    Predictably, they couldnít. For a while they were able to evade some of the consequences of their failure by pushing the costs off onto public sector employees, especially schoolteachers. But that strategy has reached its limits. Now what?

    Well, some Republicans have actually proved willing to learn from experience, reverse tax cuts and restore education funding. But all too many are responding the way Bevin did: Instead of admitting, even implicitly, that they were wrong, theyíre lashing out, in increasingly unhinged ways, at the victims of their policies.
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    Company towns?

    Do they still exist in the US? Finland?
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    So peeps shouldn't have to work if they choose not to?

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