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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    It's good for business. It's good for American jobs.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/b...imes&smtyp=cur
    Or, you know, they could hold firm and enforce that it's Made in the USA.
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    I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!).
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    What'd I say when this whole hubbabaloo started... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ng-his-workers
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    I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!).
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    I work in automation.

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    The dawn of the "collaborative robot" (meaning no need for caging around it, either by low torque or redundant safety systems) means they won't need a lot of manual, low-skill positions filled by "hoomins*" in the future.


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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    I work in automation.

    The question I'm getting is Sawyer/Baxter, UR, or YuMi? I tell them they're forgetting Fanuc and a handful of other good ones.
    My brother installs the automated services at places like McDonald's (most drink dispensers and fry baskets for the past 10 years). It's coming to a point where kids are really going to have to compete for a McJob even when there's a growing economy and the McMaster's program college grads aren't taking them.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    What'd I say when this whole hubbabaloo started... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ng-his-workers
    DJ Tice, who is a very conservative columnist for the Minneapolis paper, and someone who has been a pretty vocal opponent of things like the $15/hr minimum, mandatory paid time off, etc..., wrote an interesting column a short time ago, in which he all but says he may have been too hasty and that there is always an opportunity to learn. He references a recent study that shows some meaningful benefits to these policies.

    http://www.startribune.com/duly-note...age/480424363/
    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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    Kep will like this one... https://michaelsavage.com/?p=16968

    Although I look forward to what loophole Bezos is going to use in order to get out of this one...
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

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    Or, you know, they could hold firm and enforce that it's Made in the USA.
    Private work doesn't need to be USA products only. And public works projects only need it when required.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

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    Kep will like this one... https://michaelsavage.com/?p=16968

    Although I look forward to what loophole Bezos is going to use in order to get out of this one...
    I would applaud a straight up tax ear marked for homeless relief, but given the source I assume it's a lie or an intentional distortion to provoke knuck poutrage.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

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    I would applaud a straight up tax ear marked for homeless relief, but given the source I assume it's a lie or an intentional distortion to provoke knuck poutrage.
    That was the discussion from yesterday, the NYT article I linked. My bet is that Bezos starts occupying space in empty warehouses just outside of Seattle's city limits. It keeps him in the area, and most of his staff intact, but avoids paying an extra $275/employee on the 40,000 working for him in that city today.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    DJ Tice, who is a very conservative columnist for the Minneapolis paper, and someone who has been a pretty vocal opponent of things like the $15/hr minimum, mandatory paid time off, etc..., wrote an interesting column a short time ago, in which he all but says he may have been too hasty and that there is always an opportunity to learn. He references a recent study that shows some meaningful benefits to these policies.

    http://www.startribune.com/duly-note...age/480424363/
    I see the article doesn't address the true elephant in the room, which is how the added cost of labor is being handled by the employers who likely already have razor thin margins as it is, whether it's cutting back hours, raising prices, etc. Sure, it might make the employees happier in the short term, but all we're really doing is increasing the capital necessary to startup, while pushing out those who aren't able to keep up. Artificial creation of a monopoly for the sharks.
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    I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!).
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    That was the discussion from yesterday, the NYT article I linked. My bet is that Bezos starts occupying space in empty warehouses just outside of Seattle's city limits. It keeps him in the area, and most of his staff intact, but avoids paying an extra $275/employee on the 40,000 working for him in that city today.
    Or keeps $19,999,999 in Seattle and off-shores the rest.
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    I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!).
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
    Quote Originally Posted by jericho on rpitv's chat
    I never thought I would say this, but you are right.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    I see the article doesn't address the true elephant in the room, which is how the added cost of labor is being handled by the employers who likely already have razor thin margins as it is, whether it's cutting back hours, raising prices, etc. Sure, it might make the employees happier in the short term, but all we're really doing is increasing the capital necessary to startup, while pushing out those who aren't able to keep up. Artificial creation of a monopoly for the sharks.
    You're hilarious. You realize that labor is taxed at a much higher rate than Capital right? So, instead of raising wages too high for you how about we equal out the taxes? Oh, that doesn't work in your plutocratic dream world either?
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

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    Or keeps $19,999,999 in Seattle and off-shores the rest.
    Amazon should just move to Billings. I assume the move costs could be covered by tax savings...along with the benefits of infrastructure, quality of labor, proximity to technology providers, etc.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

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    Amazon should just move to Billings. I assume the move costs could be covered by tax savings...along with the benefits of infrastructure, quality of labor, proximity to technology providers, etc.
    Specifically what benefits over Seattle does Billings have in these areas? I lived in Billings for several years and I'm scratching my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Amazon should just move to Billings. I assume the move costs could be covered by tax savings...along with the benefits of infrastructure, quality of labor, proximity to technology providers, etc.
    I've been to Billings. The baseball wasn't bad. The flight to Sidney was interesting.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by GrinCDXX View Post
    Specifically what benefits over Seattle does Billings have in these areas? I lived in Billings for several years and I'm scratching my head.
    Your probably right. They should move for the baseball and access to Sydney.
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