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  • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

    Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
    Specifically what benefits over Seattle does Billings have in these areas? I lived in Billings for several years and I'm scratching my head.
    Your probably right. They should move for the baseball and access to Sydney.
    Go Gophers!

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    • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

      How can Goldman Sachs say the US fiscal outlook is not good? Aren’t people getting an extra 1.50 per paycheck???


      http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ok-is-not-good

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      • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

        Good thing we didn’t cut taxes and eliminate a possible relief if a recession hits
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        • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

          A little microeconomics for anyone who cares: I just gathered the annual tuition, fees, room and board, and (estimated) supplies at SCSU is stated on their site as $18,328. When I was a student my senior year, that same comparison was about $5,500. Using the $18,328, adjusting for the annual CPI as stated by the Fed, and going back to 1995, when I first paid tuition, that price would equate to $10,929.63.

          The reason I bring this up is that MN universities are expecting flat or declining enrollment for the next number of years, and they're bouncing all around the reasons without pointing to the fact that universities simply cost too much now without offering the pay and benefits an undergrad degree could once all but guarantee. Why would I go to a university for a degree in business administration when I could get an HVAC education in two years, sign on with the union for an apprenticeship that pays about $20/hr, plus benefits, and nearly be set for life when I'm easily able to see the pay scales for journeymen and masters (assuming I'm not a complete wreck of an employee)?

          Hmm...
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          • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
            A little microeconomics for anyone who cares: I just gathered the annual tuition, fees, room and board, and (estimated) supplies at SCSU is stated on their site as $18,328. When I was a student my senior year, that same comparison was about $5,500. Using the $18,328, adjusting for the annual CPI as stated by the Fed, and going back to 1995, when I first paid tuition, that price would equate to $10,929.63.

            The reason I bring this up is that MN universities are expecting flat or declining enrollment for the next number of years, and they're bouncing all around the reasons without pointing to the fact that universities simply cost too much now without offering the pay and benefits an undergrad degree could once all but guarantee. Why would I go to a university for a degree in business administration when I could get an HVAC education in two years, sign on with the union for an apprenticeship that pays about $20/hr, plus benefits, and nearly be set for life when I'm easily able to see the pay scales for journeymen and masters (assuming I'm not a complete wreck of an employee)?

            Hmm...
            Don't disagree.

            Caveat - I'm guessing the quality of education is higher and education more complex (i.e., security) than it was in '95. I don't have the list of inputs and outputs to substantiate any of that...but it wouldn't surprise me if accounting for those would close the gap a fair amount.
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            • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

              It was a bit over $6K when I graduated from Clarkson in 1977. Now CCT runs a bit over $60K! I'm told aid brings it down to around $30K. That's still a lot of money if you haven't saved.
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              • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

                25% tariff on imported cars sounds like a great idea!

                http://hill.cm/VG3WZg4

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                • Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                  Don't disagree.

                  Caveat - I'm guessing the quality of education is higher and education more complex (i.e., security) than it was in '95. I don't have the list of inputs and outputs to substantiate any of that...but it wouldn't surprise me if accounting for those would close the gap a fair amount.
                  I highly doubt it got 600% more complex or whatever the percent increase in cost is.

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                  • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

                    Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                    I highly doubt it got 600% more complex or whatever the percent increase in cost is.
                    Its about 230% more unadjusted by cost of living.

                    But unless I missed on what SC was communicating, the adjusted tuition paid was about $11k vs. just over $18k. My point was that today's workplace requirements and teaching environments are far more complex than they were nearly 25 years ago which should account for some of the gap.
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                    • Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                      Its about 230% more unadjusted by cost of living.

                      But unless I missed on what SC was communicating, the adjusted tuition paid was about $11k vs. just over $18k. My point was that today's workplace requirements and teaching environments are far more complex than they were nearly 25 years ago which should account for some of the gap.
                      More complex? B.S.

                      At least half the additional cost is the arms race in things like dorms that are nicer than my house. Which is ironic when the first dorms chosen in every housing lottery are almost always the older, crappier ones that are in the better locations closer to the center of campus.

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                      • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

                        Originally posted by unofan View Post
                        More complex? B.S.

                        At least half the additional cost is the arms race in things like dorms that are nicer than my house. Which is ironic when the first dorms chosen in every housing lottery are almost always the older, crappier ones that are in the better locations closer to the center of campus.
                        SCSU has been renovating its older dorms, closing them for a school year while the interiors are redesigned. They've also torn down one dorm entirely from my time there, and closed its twin dorm with intent of also tearing it down. And yet a third dorm, designed as "apartment living," where I spent a year, has also been closed. They intended to build new dorms, but with declining enrollment, they now just have some vacant buildings on campus.


                        Also, and this can't be stressed enough, it's SCSU. Only the most naïve would ever think it's a great school. While you can get a good education in some fields, that list of fields hasn't changed much and people still know SCSU for what it is - the place where two of my roommates thought that Washington, DC, was located in the state of Washington.
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                        • Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          It was a bit over $6K when I graduated from Clarkson in 1977. Now CCT runs a bit over $60K! I'm told aid brings it down to around $30K. That's still a lot of money if you haven't saved.
                          Aid there include loans
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                          • Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                            Aid there include loans
                            Yeah 30k in loans isn’t such a great deal lol.
                            I know many of the privates have grants.

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                            • Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                              Its about 230% more unadjusted by cost of living.

                              But unless I missed on what SC was communicating, the adjusted tuition paid was about $11k vs. just over $18k. My point was that today's workplace requirements and teaching environments are far more complex than they were nearly 25 years ago which should account for some of the gap.
                              Only gender studies have become more complex

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                              • Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 7: Workers of the world unite!

                                Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                                Only gender studies have become more complex

                                English lit still makes one read Faulkner
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