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    If you rolled back electricity, Phoenix would be reduced to a town of 7,000 people within a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    It's weirdly liveable, as long as the power (and the AC) stays on and you drink your weight in water for every daylight hour you plan to spend outside.

    If there was a weekend power outage it would feel like the surface of the sun.
    How did folks live before AC?

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    How did folks live before AC?
    They didn't live there.

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    I cannot understand Phoenix for the life of me. I'm looking at that conclave of old hippies, Oregon.

    Yes, it rains a lot in every season but summer. But as someone said, you don't have to shovel rain. And it's really not all that much more than here in New England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    I cannot understand Phoenix for the life of me. I'm looking at that conclave of old hippies, Oregon.

    Yes, it rains a lot in every season but summer. But as someone said, you don't have to shovel rain. And it's really not all that much more than here in New England.
    Oregon is lovely. But go east of the Western Cascades. The emotional difference between New England and Portland winter is extreme. Imagine a cold wet spot on the back of your neck you can't prevent or dry.

    Now imagine it for 7 months.

    If you love Oregon (as I do), move to Bend or Ashland or Klamath Falls if you value intelligence. Or move to Burns or La Grande or Pendleton if you like herpa-derps.

    But the coastal rain is soul destroying. There is no way to describe just how depressing it is.

    In the summer months, the Coastal Range is one of the most lovely places on Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    I've never even been to Phoenix, but I just assume between the weather and the sprawl, it's already unlivable. Unless you're a yuuuuuuge fan of dry heat.
    My impression of it while touring with a friend of mine who lived there is that its all old people and meth heads with very little in between. City also looks like it was all built yesterday. Desert scenery is beautiful of course, but sprawl makes Atlanta look like it was expertly planned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Oregon is lovely. But go east of the Western Cascades. The emotional difference between New England and Portland winter is extreme. Imagine a cold wet spot on the back of your neck you can't prevent or dry.

    Now imagine it for 7 months.

    If you love Oregon (as I do), move to Bend or Ashland or Klamath Falls if you value intelligence. Or move to Burns or La Grande or Pendleton if you like herpa-derps.

    But the coastal rain is soul destroying. There is no way to describe just how depressing it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    My impression of it while touring with a friend of mine who lived there is that its all old people and meth heads with very little in between. City also looks like it was all built yesterday. Desert scenery is beautiful of course, but sprawl makes Atlanta look like it was expertly planned.
    It's just the opposite. It's 500 interlocking shopping malls. Phoenix is nothing if not planned. It's planned so much it is the closest there is to an actual Sim City, with half the city zoned as "low density commercial."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Oregon is lovely. But go east of the Western Cascades. The emotional difference between New England and Portland winter is extreme. Imagine a cold wet spot on the back of your neck you can't prevent or dry.

    Now imagine it for 7 months.

    If you love Oregon (as I do), move to Bend or Ashland or Klamath Falls if you value intelligence. Or move to Burns or La Grande or Pendleton if you like herpa-derps.

    But the coastal rain is soul destroying. There is no way to describe just how depressing it is.

    In the summer months, the Coastal Range is one of the most lovely places on Earth.
    I've been to Burns (USDA location). Great people, but not much to see. The ride from Boise was interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I've been to Burns (USDA location). Great people, but not much to see. The ride from Boise was interesting.
    Burns is where the Great Bundy Comic Opera happened.

    You can keep the people, thanks.
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    Brother lived on the coast in Reedsport for about 5 years and loved it, despite the wet. Those rivers come crashing out of the fog and the firs into the ocean. Powerful medicine.

    Just too small for him, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    Brother lived on the coast in Reedsport for about 5 years and loved it, despite the wet. Just too small for him, I think.
    Huh. I had a GF from Florence. We drove down to see her family. The Lumber Folk through that area may as well be from back the holler in Tennessee. Very, very strange cul de sac in the gene pool. Pure Okie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Huh. I had a GF from Florence. We drove down to see her family. The Lumber Folk through that area may as well be from back the holler in Tennessee. Very, very strange cul de sac in the gene pool. Pure Okie.
    Yeah. He was a young family practice doc with an east coast education. I think he found it refreshing and the land compelling.

    See post 347 below. Kesey got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    But the coastal rain is soul destroying. There is no way to describe just how depressing it is.

    In the summer months, the Coastal Range is one of the most lovely places on Earth.

    Yes, I can imagine. One year, maybe ten years or so ago, it rained practically every day for the entire month of May. Yes, it's bleak. But soul destroying is a blizzard every weekend for the month of February, as we also had about 8 years ago.

    I'm still willing to give it a go. Beats shoveling. I'll take a winter of rain over a winter of snow anyday. And I'm assuming most days it's drizzle, not full-on downpour. I'm thinking Eugene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    I cannot understand Phoenix for the life of me. I'm looking at that conclave of old hippies, Oregon.

    Yes, it rains a lot in every season but summer. But as someone said, you don't have to shovel rain. And it's really not all that much more than here in New England.
    The coastal areas of the Pacific NW don't get more rain, just more frequently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    The coastal areas of the Pacific NW don't get more rain, just more frequently.
    Yes. Compared to Portland Maine, Eugene gets about the same precipitation amounts per year. But during the summer months, they get maybe 2 or 3 days of rain per month, compared to 10-11 days per month of rain/snow year round in Portland. Fall through spring though, Eugene gets roughly 18 days/month of rain. Still beats snow, though. I'll take a drizzly/intermittent showers day where its 45 degrees over 20 degrees and snow any day. Mountain biking year round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    It's just the opposite. It's 500 interlocking shopping malls. Phoenix is nothing if not planned. It's planned so much it is the closest there is to an actual Sim City, with half the city zoned as "low density commercial."



    Phoenix: actual aerial photograph.
    Exactly this. If not for a few hills in the middle of the city the entire greater metro area would be a perfect grid system. A road that curves is extremely rare, every mile there is a major road in each direction that is about a 30 mile long strip mall, especially the E/W roads. In between the strip malls you pack in the residential. Industrial is along south end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Huh. I had a GF from Florence. We drove down to see her family. The Lumber Folk through that area may as well be from back the holler in Tennessee. Very, very strange cul de sac in the gene pool. Pure Okie.
    My grandparents, and soon my parents, live in Florence. Itís mostly retired old folks now, with a sprinkling of methheads/bikers.

    Itís beautiful, but Iíd lose my mind if I lived there right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    Exactly this. If not for a few hills in the middle of the city the entire greater metro area would be a perfect grid system. A road that curves is extremely rare, every mile there is a major road in each direction that is about a 30 mile long strip mall, especially the E/W roads. In between the strip malls you pack in the residential. Industrial is along south end.
    Looking at a topo of Phoenix there just arenít many natural features they have to dodge unlike, for example, the twin cities which have all sorts of lakes, streams, hills, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    My grandparents, and soon my parents, live in Florence. It’s mostly retired old folks now, with a sprinkling of methheads/bikers.

    It’s beautiful, but I’d lose my mind if I lived there right now.
    Florence is gorgeous. The WPA bridge is a national treasure.

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