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    Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

    EVERYONE... It is really difficult for me to follow how the reply and threads word on my iPad. So politely excuse me for duplicates. I am a 67 year old BC who has seen a lot of hockey over time. And yes I find it difficult to follow how RPI works at times...but that doesnít require some of you to be abusive to what you donít agree with.

    I do find it not equitable to finish on top of league twice and get passed over for teams that finished lower in the same league or have another team with a LOSING conference record go instead. THAT IS NOT STUPID OR INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO QUESTION THE SYSTEM.

    Thank you for those who politely disagreed and explain why. Lack of civil discourse is what the USA is suffering from.

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    If there is one thing this yearís tournament needed it was one more eastern regular season champion to get unceremoniously dumped in the first round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    If there is one thing this yearís tournament needed it was one more eastern regular season champion to get unceremoniously dumped in the first round.
    as opposed to #2 getting dumped in the first round. Or a 4th place with a losing conference record? BC under Jerry York did not finish as high in the Uscho polls as the prior late Len C. But he knew how to win in the NCAA playoffs. So do not be so sure.
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    You're making it sound like there are a lot of eastern leagues or that every one of their RS champions lost in first round. Cornell is the only team that meets your parameters.

    The ECAC stunk and BC was basically on par with BU. Maybe they win a game, maybe not. No "eastern" teams even made the FF so doesn't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedomfighter View Post
    Act adult. If you donít agree. You donít. Itís not simple math. A computer only spits out what u program it to.
    It IS simple math. You just don't like the results.
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    Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

    That was for SJHovey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    Going by your conference record criteria BU should have been selected over BC for the 2008 NCAA Tournament. BC finished 4th, 4 points behind BU, who finished second, and 2 points behind Vermont, who finished third.

    Sean
    BC won the HE tournament that year. At least with his Penn State example they didn't win their tournament this year (at least i think he's talking about this year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    BC won the HE tournament that year. At least with his Penn State example they didn't win their tournament this year (at least i think he's talking about this year).
    Yes. That year New Hampshire was #1. BU was #2. Only NH AND BC went to the NCAA from HE. BC won the National Title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedomfighter View Post
    Act adult. If you donít agree. You donít. Itís not simple math. A computer only spits out what u program it to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    It IS simple math. You just don't like the results.
    FF, you're right, the computer spits out what it is programmed to: SIMPLE FREAKING MATH.

    What I think you're having a tough time wrapping your arms around is the fact that the SIMPLE FREAKING MATH is not about conference play only, it is about how a team plays against all other DI teams. It is far more comprehensive than what you in your myopia what to consider. And that means that, in the long run, it is far more fair. An aircraft carrier could be floated in the river you're crying. Man up for crying out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleRay View Post
    FF, you're right, the computer spits out what it is programmed to: SIMPLE FREAKING MATH.

    What I think you're having a tough time wrapping your arms around is the fact that the SIMPLE FREAKING MATH is not about conference play only, it is about how a team plays against all other DI teams AND THEIR OPPONENTS. It is far more comprehensive than what you in your myopia what to consider. And that means that, in the long run, it is far more fair. An aircraft carrier could be floated in the river you're crying. Man up for crying out loud.
    Fixed. You play good teams OOC, and beat them.....just saying.
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    I currently am selecting which monkeys that will throw their poop at the selection board for next year. Good luck to all the teams.
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    Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

    Correct me if I'm wrong... but doesn't the success of the entire conference vs OOC opponents carry some weight in the PWR?
    So, had other Hockey East teams had more success OOC, BC'S wins vs those successful teams would have further helped BC's rating?
    The strength of their conference aided a team like PSU getting the bid, even though their in conference record was under .500. The lack of conference strength in HE did not help BC at all, and one could argue, if HE teams had had more success OOC, BC perhaps doesn't have the stellar conference record playing against better competition.

    Disclaimer: I'm all for simple math and PWR. BC didn't deserve a bid, IMO (I'm a long time BC STH). Given their season record, they would have been deserving if they had won the HE tournament. JMO, and the results of the simple math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    You're making it sound like there are a lot of eastern leagues or that every one of their RS champions lost in first round. Cornell is the only team that meets your parameters.

    The ECAC stunk and BC was basically on par with BU. Maybe they win a game, maybe not. No "eastern" teams even made the FF so doesn't really matter.
    It was intended as a subtle jab at Cornell.

    As for the subject complained about, other than one poster I don't see a lot of BC fans here complaining about not making the tournament. They won the regular season crown, but candidly they were really bad when they weren't playing HE teams.

    The way it's set up, if you are a member of the B1G, NCHC, HE or ECAC, if you win the regular season title for your league, and you don't completely crap the bed in your out of conference games, you'll get an at-large bid.

    Minnesota didn't get in two years ago after winning the B1G regular season crown, but again they were horrible in the non-conference games.

    To get an at-large bid, you should be at least respectable in your play against teams from other leagues, imho.
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    Some serious sour grapes on this thread. Two things I want to say with absolute certainty as a BC fan:

    - BC absolutely did not deserve to make the tournament.
    - BC absolutely would have been sent home early.

    Let me add a third. It IS absolutely stupid and incomprehensible to cite conference standings (a random, arbitrary subset of the entire season upon which you are judged) when discussing who should and should not be in the national tournament. I would assert that one doing so is likely the first in their family to be able to walk upright.
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    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedomfighter View Post
    But make sure the OOC games are weaker opponents like Northeastern and Providence did. BC must schedule AC
    Northeastern beat BC in an OOC game

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    What do you want us to change, aside from winning more games?
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    I currently am selecting which monkeys that will throw their poop at the selection board for next year. Good luck to all the teams.
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    Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

    This is literally first time this season I've heard anyone arguing that BC deserved to be in over NU or PC. The vast majority of BC fans rather gave up when they went win less out of conference. I'm almost disappointed.
    BU and BC both knew what they had to do to get into the field and BU did that thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedomfighter View Post
    Look back carefully. BC was in a 3 way tie for 1st...check the points. #4 and #5 went.
    I understand this, but if you're awarding an auto bid for the RS champion, then there must be a tiebreaker correct? If yes, then BC would not have qualified for that auto bid.

    If you're saying any team with a share of a RS title or tournament win should make it, then you are at risk of having more than 16 teams qualify (even if it's highly unlikely).

    If your response is to use something like PWR in that circumstance to choose which teams should qualify, then what will you say if that team left out ends up being BC??

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