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    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    I haven't looked to see where the accident happened, but the roads I am familiar with in Canada are unlike the roads in the US, for one there aren't roadside rest areas and gas stations with rest facilities like the US. Often no shoulder, the road goes from asphalt to bog or whatever happens to be next to the road. Truckers drive like maniacs .
    This is an accurate description of rural roads in Northern Canada for sure. Grew up on them, now live in Urban US. Itís different. Absolutely heartbreaking accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindsay View Post
    This is an accurate description of rural roads in Northern Canada for sure. Grew up on them, now live in Urban US. It’s different. Absolutely heartbreaking accident.
    Yep. I've spent over 50 years hunting and fishing in northern Minnesota and in Canada. You always gotta be wary of those truckers and loggers in both countries. Never had an accident though, other than the time a deer ran into my car when I was stopped and when a moose crossed in front of me on Highway 1 and defecated on the hood of my Bronco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowheresville View Post
    That show is one of my favorite guilty pleasure tv shows. Although, what you see on the Smithsonian Channel is really just a repackaged version of the Canadian Discovery Channel's "Mayday," and the US really gets the leftovers. If you search online, you can find more and newer episodes of the international/original series (including one made last year focusing on the 1993 crash of a Northwest flight from MSP to Hibbing).
    When I first heard of this horrendous accident the other day I immediately thought of the two plane crashes in 1970 with the Wichita State and Marshall football teams, probably because they happened so close together.

    A couple "guilty pleasure" books you might find interesting are Alive: The Story of the Andes Survivors by Pier Pauls Read about the plane crash that killed among others 11 players from a Uruguayan rugby team and the gruesome aftermath of those that survived. Also, Freefall, by William Hoffer which is "a detailed accounting of an Air Canada flight which in 1983 ran out of fuel at 41,000 feet over Middle of Nowhere, Manitoba." The plane basically became a glider at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowheresville View Post
    the 1993 crash of a Northwest flight from MSP to Hibbing).
    There are memorials at both the site of the 1993 plane crash near Hibbing and of course, at the 2002 Wellstone plane crash site which is about a mile or so from where I used to live on Ely Lake. The Wellstone memorial site is very nicely done with individual memorials for each person that died in the crash, except for the two pilots. We thought that was wrong. The pilots also lost their lives in the crash. Although I don't know for sure why they were not included it may have been because of rumored issues I have heard regarding the pilots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Eeyore View Post
    I'm not sure what the point of giving it thought would be. If half of a team dies like this, there isn't much planning that would be useful. They're going to forfeit a lot of games (though I suspect that they would just be stricken from the schedule rather than officially forfeit) until they are able to assemble a new roster.
    All professional sports leagues have a well thought out plan in place in case of a tragedy like this, especially a plane crash. There's way too much money involved not to have one.

    Years ago, when a soccer team was wiped out, there was an article in the NY Times explaining what each North American league's plan is in such a situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluffrinkrat View Post
    A couple "guilty pleasure" books you might find interesting are Alive: The Story of the Andes Survivors by Pier Pauls Read about the plane crash that killed among others 11 players from a Uruguayan soccer team and the gruesome aftermath of those that survived.
    It was a rugby team.

    That is a very good book. But be warned, a very difficult one to read. Especially the detailed description of the plane crash and the immediate consequences to the passengers. It is very detailed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    It was a rugby team.

    That is a very good book. But be warned, a very difficult one to read. Especially the detailed description of the plane crash and the immediate consequences to the passengers. It is very detailed.
    Read the book and saw the movie. One that sticks with you for a long time much like this Canadian tragedy will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    It was a rugby team.

    That is a very good book. But be warned, a very difficult one to read.
    Yes, of course it was a rugby team. Thank you, I corrected my post.

    Would it be morbid of me if I mentioned that if you liked the PBS American Experience program on the Donner Party you'll love this book?
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    Yes, of course it was a rugby team. Thank you, I corrected my post.

    Would it be morbid of me if I mentioned that if you liked the PBS American Experience program on the Donner Party you'll love this book?
    "Alive".

    Tremendous book. Overwhwelmingly absorbing. Read it in 1975 and still have it. Had a very lasting affect on me.

    Saw the movie as Puckdrop also did. No comparison to the book, in my opinion.

    With respect to the Gimli Glider, the problem was in a conversion from Imperial measurement to Metric measurement (as the result of a malfunctioning fuel guage as I recall) that Canada was going through in the early '80's. Luckily, (to understate it), the pilot had had extensive glider experience and chose (he had no other choice) to land at the abandoned airfireld in Gimli (an hour north of Winnipeg) because it was the only reachable option. But the runway and field was being used that Sunday afternoon (as I believe it was) for a gathering of friends and families for some car racing...lots of people including kids...like a picnic/camping/recreational event all wrapped into one.

    As the plane was approaching no one knew that it was going to land...how could they?...why would they think that?...it was an abandoned airfield. Once they realized that their assumptions were wrong panic set it in and people scattered for their lives. As I recall there were two kids on the runway as the plane was touching down. No one was hurt. Pilot was a hero. There are no coincidences.

    The incident was featured on an episode of MayDay in Canada years ago. Spellbinding.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwMqDnBCBwc

    Detailed explanation...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snVifFDoAG8

    Here's a version with the ugliness of politics thrown in afterwards, finger pointing and all...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ffryZAd4Nw


    And regarding the Donner Party...saw a 2 or 3 hour documentary on it decades ago...absolutely riveting. Both it and Alive laid bare the human condition stripped clean of props, societal expectations and a lot of the BS of everyday life. Should be required reading/viewing for PCer's and those concerned about imagined micro aggression for a good dose of reality.
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    This tragedy has had a serious effect across the country, as one would expect, but as the second article indicates, across the planet as well...

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...icks-1.4612892

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskat...gest-1.4612322

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluffrinkrat View Post
    Yes, of course it was a rugby team. Thank you, I corrected my post.

    Would it be morbid of me if I mentioned that if you liked the PBS American Experience program on the Donner Party you'll love this book?
    That's because you're hungry for information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    That's because you're hungry for information.
    I always have been a voracious reader ever since I was a little kid reading sci fi stories in the 50's such as that tasty little morsel "To Serve Man" by Damon Knight. I think Rod Serling liked it, too.
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    I've always found it difficult to understand how many parents are able to speak publicly about the death of their child so soon after their loss occurs. Maybe it's somewhat cathartic while the shock still provides a virtually impenetrable protective veil.

    This father has my respect:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/f...loss-1.4614019

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    Totally. I can hardly imagine the pain he's had to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindsay View Post
    This is an accurate description of rural roads in Northern Canada for sure. Grew up on them, now live in Urban US. It’s different. Absolutely heartbreaking accident.
    Not really an accurate description of the road where this happened. (they my be like that further north) but this road was paved with shoulders, white lines, etc just like any other rural road in this part of the province and country. Road condition had nothing to do with this tragedy. It had proper signage that MAY have been ignored/missed by the truck. A grove of trees near the intersection MAY have impaired vision of the intersection, but the reconstruction teams have yet to finalize their investigation. Our country continues to reel from this tragedy and heart breaking stories continue to emerge. The GoFundMe account is now approaching $8 million for the victims and their families. the world has taken notice and responded. Rest assured, Canada will take care of them over the months and years ahead. It's going to be a long, tough battle for sure. #humboldtstrong

    Check this out: https://www.bardown.com/humboldt-bro...time-1.1053151
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeymoreHockey View Post
    Not really an accurate description of the road where this happened. ... It had proper signage that MAY have been ignored/missed by the truck. A grove of trees near the intersection MAY have impaired vision of the intersection, ... The GoFundMe account is now approaching $8 million for the victims and their families. the world has taken notice and responded. Rest assured, Canada will take care of them over the months and years
    since you missed part of the post she was agreeing to ...
    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    ... Truckers drive like maniacs because it is slow going on Canada's highways with the ridiculously low speed limits that almost nobody obeys. Truckers view themselves as owning the road, especially logging trucks, get in the way they would just as soon run you over. They'll do it even if you don't get in the way. .... I'm surprised there aren't more of these accidents.
    OK, it wasn't a logging truck, it was peat moss

    yes, it is nice Canadians are ponying up, sure would have been nice if they had done the same for the girl hurt in the exhibition during intermission of the NHL outdoor game a couple years back, last I heard only the Bruins did, but not the league
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbeard View Post
    I've always found it difficult to understand how many parents are able to speak publicly about the death of their child so soon after their loss occurs. Maybe it's somewhat cathartic while the shock still provides a virtually impenetrable protective veil.

    This father has my respect:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/f...loss-1.4614019
    Thank you for posting that. What a beautiful testament by this father to his remarkable son. "Really dad, just get on with it already." I can't imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeymoreHockey View Post
    Not really an accurate description of the road where this happened. (they my be like that further north) but this road was paved with shoulders, white lines, etc just like any other rural road in this part of the province and country. Road condition had nothing to do with this tragedy. It had proper signage that MAY have been ignored/missed by the truck. A grove of trees near the intersection MAY have impaired vision of the intersection, but the reconstruction teams have yet to finalize their investigation. Our country continues to reel from this tragedy and heart breaking stories continue to emerge. The GoFundMe account is now approaching $8 million for the victims and their families. the world has taken notice and responded. Rest assured, Canada will take care of them over the months and years ahead. It's going to be a long, tough battle for sure. #humboldtstrong

    Check this out: https://www.bardown.com/humboldt-bro...time-1.1053151
    The general point about the infrastructure of rural roads is still valid: they are different and more dangerous relative to what you see in other areas.

    Intersecting highways with a 100km/hr speed limit (traffic probably goes 109 minimum, more likely 115 and some jerks faster than that), and it is controlled by a stop sign. Iím not saying itís wrong, but Iím saying you donít experience that everywhere (and thatís what I interpreted the poster saying as well).

    I am glad there has been a response from the hockey community with the donations, it really is incredible. Obviously, this accident touched a nerve with people around the world. I have no doubt the people of Saskatchewan will support those affected in every way they can.

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    I agree with you on this Lindsay. Speed limits on these roads are often way too high, in my opinion. In Ontario, these types of roads have an 80 k speed limit. In Alberta, and SK it is often 100, and that's too fast, especially for trucks hauling heavy loads and intersecting with other similar type of roads. There are many things that factor in to this sad situation, including time of day, sunset, trees, small stop sign, etc, etc. The reconstruction teams are actively investigating but in the meantime, all of Canada is rallying to support these families and players. It all be a long and painful journey and anything we can do to help, we will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lindsay View Post
    The general point about the infrastructure of rural roads is still valid: they are different and more dangerous relative to what you see in other areas.

    Intersecting highways with a 100km/hr speed limit (traffic probably goes 109 minimum, more likely 115 and some jerks faster than that), and it is controlled by a stop sign. I’m not saying it’s wrong, but I’m saying you don’t experience that everywhere (and that’s what I interpreted the poster saying as well).

    I am glad there has been a response from the hockey community with the donations, it really is incredible. Obviously, this accident touched a nerve with people around the world. I have no doubt the people of Saskatchewan will support those affected in every way they can.

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    I wonder if the truck driver will ever have a peaceful night's sleep for the rest of his life.

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