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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

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    What was your favorite Scott Pruitt moment?
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."



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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    What was your favorite Scott Pruitt moment?
    The claims of non-existent death threats. What a little lying piece of stool he is, and a wus to boot. Of all the annoying things about trump and many of the people he surrounds himself with, the phony-tough act so many of them put on is the worst. What kind of a moron falls for it? Oh wait, the kind of moron who votes for a republican in the 21st century.

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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

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    These the same pollsters that were calling 2016 a landslide?
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

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    Whites 60+ with college education went 47-37 for Trump in 2016. Having realized that with the tax cut passed, SS and Medicare are in the crosshairs and Paul Ryan will have them eating Alpo, they now shifted 42-40 for the Democrats. Gotta love the self-centered Boomers.

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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    So Michael Cohen's offices in NYC were raided by the FBI today.
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    So Michael Cohen's offices in NYC were raided by the FBI today.
    Best news I've heard all day.
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Best news I've heard all day.
    You're excited about the government seizing attorney/client privileged material?
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    You're excited about the government seizing attorney/client privileged material?
    Uh, huh. Did Hannity tell you what the FBI did was against the law? Cause I find it highly doubtful that any laws were broken by the FBI today.

    EDIT: As expected. Everything looks normal to me. Search Warrants were obtained.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/u...imes&smtyp=cur
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    You're excited about the government seizing attorney/client privileged material?
    I'm not a lawyer but even I know your statement makes no sense at all. Either that or the next time I shoot a guy I'm going to hand my lawyer my gun and then the police can't take it!!!
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

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    No I want truthful reporting and still to this day your man crush gets a free pass.
    Maybe you should do some research on your own and see what is the truth, instead of using your preconceived brainwashed notions as an irrevocable basis. Even the person on which you're claiming I have a "man crush" suggests this.
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    I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!).
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    So Michael Cohen's offices in NYC were raided by the FBI today.
    Yeah. The Dump Crime Family is in some deep sh-t.
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    You're excited about the government seizing attorney/client privileged material?
    So long as it's not them with ones they care about, they're completely fine with stepping on people's rights. You'd think, after "oppressive regimes", that they'd recognize this. Nope...
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    I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!).
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    You're excited about the government seizing attorney/client privileged material?
    There's no privilege if you're breaking the law...

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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I'm not a lawyer but even I know your statement makes no sense at all. Either that or the next time I shoot a guy I'm going to hand my lawyer my gun and then the police can't take it!!!
    I was just referring to this CNN story that I looked up after I saw Scooby's post. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/polit...fbi/index.html

    It mentions that "privileged" communications were seized.

    Yeah, apparently a warrant was obtained, and maybe nothing "illegal" was done.

    On the other hand, if I were someone that the government was targeting in an investigation and I had a lawyer, I'd be a little concerned about my rights if they came in and seized his files.

    I guess I'd be curious to hear UNO's take on this. I can't imagine lawyers think it's that ideal.

    I assume the government argued that Cohen somehow helped facilitate a crime, and I imagine in that setting the information is no longer privileged. But we hold pretty sacred in this country the right of individuals to legal counsel in criminal proceedings and this feels like a bit of a strong arm tactic to me.
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    But we hold pretty sacred in this country the right of individuals to legal counsel in criminal proceedings and this feels like a bit of a strong arm tactic to me.
    Which is why they needed a warrant. But Mafia lawyers can't hide their clients' criminal evidence.

    Maybe next time don't nominate and elect an actual criminal to the US Presidency? Just a thought.

    It is kinda cool, though, hearing the right declare their support for due process and the rights of the accused for the first time in, well, ever. So that's healthy anyway.
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    I was just referring to this CNN story that I looked up after I saw Scooby's post. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/polit...fbi/index.html

    It mentions that "privileged" communications were seized.

    Yeah, apparently a warrant was obtained, and maybe nothing "illegal" was done.

    On the other hand, if I were someone that the government was targeting in an investigation and I had a lawyer, I'd be a little concerned about my rights if they came in and seized his files.

    I guess I'd be curious to hear UNO's take on this. I can't imagine lawyers think it's that ideal.

    I assume the government argued that Cohen somehow helped facilitate a crime, and I imagine in that setting the information is no longer privileged. But we hold pretty sacred in this country the right of individuals to legal counsel in criminal proceedings and this feels like a bit of a strong arm tactic to me.
    If Cohen broke the law the privilege goes bye-bye.
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    There's no privilege if you're breaking the law...
    Um, that's actually not true. You can tell you're attorney you broke the law. The attorney can't then ask you on the stand if you're guilty and let you lie, or argue your actual innocence before a judge or jury. That doesn't mean there is no privilege or the attorney has to reveal what you said to him or her. Now if the attorney was actually part of the crime, then yes, there might not be the expectation of privilege.

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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    Um, that's actually not true. You can tell you're attorney you broke the law. The attorney can't then ask you on the stand if you're guilty and let you lie, or argue your actual innocence before a judge or jury. That doesn't mean there is no privilege or the attorney has to reveal what you said to him or her.
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    Re: POTUS 45.31: "The Caravan is Coming.""The Caravan is Coming."

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    That doesn't mean there is no privilege or the attorney has to reveal what you said to him or her.
    Let's say I am charged with murdering a guy. I hire you as my lawyer. Then you ask me "did you kill this guy?" and I say "oh, hell yeah; I'd do it again, too." And I want to plead innocent.

    Do you have to drop my defense? How do you do that without my case being hopelessly compromised?
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