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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I'm not sure you're going to believe this, but the Mets may have just batted out of order in the second inning.
    With a runner in scoring position. Don't forget that. That's what makes it extra Metsy.

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    Re: MLB 2018.1: ...And The Nationals Will Not Make It Out of the First Round

    Quote Originally Posted by French Rage View Post
    With a runner in scoring position. Don't forget that. That's what makes it extra Metsy.
    Well... not really. We only achieved the runner in scoring position by batting out of order. Remember, the transposition NCFB --> NFCB causes us to bat out of order three times. First when Flores batted after Nimmo (should have been Cabrera). Second when Cabrera batted after Flores (should have been Bruce). Third when Bruce batted after Cabrera (should have been Flores). Bruce is called out for batting out of order. Bruce's PA (taken by Cabrera) is erased. So we never had a man in scoring position under any circumstances.

    Let's say Flores had gotten a hit. Then when Cabrera had approached the plate Cincy would have protested. Cabrera would have been called out for batting after Nimmo. Cabrera's actual PA, taken by Flores, would have been erased. Bruce would have come up with two outs. Interestingly, in that situation Bruce is OK to bat because he is considered to be batting after "the legitimate batter" Flores who is considered never to have batted because Cabrera stole his spot. This despite the fact that Flores actually did something and Cabrera did nothing.

    I like the rule and I'm pretty sure it makes sense, it's just really difficult at first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The Mets just batted out of order. In the top of the first inning.
    Same old MTES.

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    Giants hitters strike out 55 times in a 4 game sweep by the Phillies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonofSouthie View Post
    Giants hitters strike out 55 times in a 4 game sweep by the Phillies.
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    Re: MLB 2018.1: ...And The Nationals Will Not Make It Out of the First Round

    So Ian Kinsler, with two outs, turned away from a ball that was inside, didnít break his wrists, but the bat clearly crossed the plate. Next pitch, homer. Should he have been out?

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    So Ian Kinsler, with two outs, turned away from a ball that was inside, didnít break his wrists, but the bat clearly crossed the plate. Next pitch, homer. Should he have been out?
    Crossed the plate? Strike. Crossing is one of TWO qualifications for a strike, as I understand the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Crossed the plate? Strike. Crossing is one of TWO qualifications for a strike, as I understand the rules.
    Agreed. Itís not a reviewable play, and they checked with the base ump and he said he didnít go, but it sure as heck looked like it on the replays.

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    Re: MLB 2018.1: ...And The Nationals Will Not Make It Out of the First Round

    The rule on batters swinging at a pitch or holding up has nothing to do with the bat crossing the plate, or the wrists breaking. Although umps do tend to use those criteria to help decide.

    It's was the batters "intent" to swing and hit a pitch. Completely subjective and really impossible for a fan or broadcaster to predict.

    I wish they would clear that rule up. Instead they are working on pitch clocks and robots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JF_Gophers View Post
    The rule on batters swinging at a pitch or holding up has nothing to do with the bat crossing the plate, or the wrists breaking. Although umps do tend to use those criteria to help decide.

    It's was the batters "intent" to swing and hit a pitch.
    I had no idea of this. Been watching baseball for 48 seasons and I thought "breaking the plane of the front of the plate" was the actual rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I had no idea of this. Been watching baseball for 48 seasons and I thought "breaking the plane of the front of the plate" was the actual rule.
    Neither did I.
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    Re: MLB 2018.1: ...And The Nationals Will Not Make It Out of the First Round

    From Nick Cafardo's Baseball Notes in today's Globe
    From the Bill Chuck files ó ďThe Nationals have struck out six times this season on foul bunts.Ē . . . Also, ďIn 1993, the world champion Blue Jays struck out 10-plus times in a game 11 times. This season, the Blue Jays already have twelve games with 10-plus strikeouts. Then again, in 1993 there were 380 10-plus strikeout games, and this season there are already 424 games in which a team whiffed 10-plus times.Ē

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    Re: MLB 2018.1: ...And The Nationals Will Not Make It Out of the First Round

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    From Nick Cafardo's Baseball Notes in today's Globe
    And yet, the avg runs a team scores this year are 4.48, while in 1993 it was 4.6. Apparently striking out doesn't really change how much you score if your HR per game avg goes from .89 to 1.15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    From Nick Cafardo's Baseball Notes in today's Globe
    You don't have to like the all-or-nothing approach, but the numbers don't lie that it works.

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    When you think about it, it makes sense. Lose 1/27th of your outs for a chance at a run.

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    Re: MLB 2018.1: ...And The Nationals Will Not Make It Out of the First Round

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Well... not really. We only achieved the runner in scoring position by batting out of order. Remember, the transposition NCFB --> NFCB causes us to bat out of order three times. First when Flores batted after Nimmo (should have been Cabrera). Second when Cabrera batted after Flores (should have been Bruce). Third when Bruce batted after Cabrera (should have been Flores). Bruce is called out for batting out of order. Bruce's PA (taken by Cabrera) is erased. So we never had a man in scoring position under any circumstances.

    Let's say Flores had gotten a hit. Then when Cabrera had approached the plate Cincy would have protested. Cabrera would have been called out for batting after Nimmo. Cabrera's actual PA, taken by Flores, would have been erased. Bruce would have come up with two outs. Interestingly, in that situation Bruce is OK to bat because he is considered to be batting after "the legitimate batter" Flores who is considered never to have batted because Cabrera stole his spot. This despite the fact that Flores actually did something and Cabrera did nothing.

    I like the rule and I'm pretty sure it makes sense, it's just really difficult at first.
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