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    I'll venture to guess that the script "Huskies" existed when you painted the bucket.

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    That's a nice car. Actually i'm more into cars without fenders or roofs.

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    That's a nice car. Actually i'm more into cars without fenders or roofs.
    You're holding me in suspense. So what is the race engineering gig?

    I used to follow IndyCar pretty closely and attended a couple races each year when I lived in WI (Elkhart Lake / Milwaukee), but then the IRL killed it for me. Diluted the talent too much and made both series unwatchable. I grew up in a great era for American open wheel racing watching the Unsers, the Andrettis (four of them at times), Foyt, Mears, Sullivan, Rahal, etc... heck they even let Mansell come play for a while. Then Tony George blew it all up for no reason other than greed. (He sort of reminds me of those "like minded" people in college hockey... but that's another story.)

    In the last few years IndyCar is drawing me back in again. The talent level is back up and the cars are starting to shed some of the ridiculous / excessive body work they added in the early 2010s. F1 is ok. I like the technology, but only one or two teams really has a chance to win. Everyone else is fighting for the final spot on the podiums most races. Heck, just scoring a point is an accomplishment for most F1 teams.

    I've taken a liking to sports car racing in recent years. In spite of what most fans will say about "balance of performance" it generally works. If a team has their stuff together, nearly anyone can win in a given season in spite of the vast differences of the car profiles and drive trains.

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    You're holding me in suspense. So what is the race engineering gig?

    I used to follow IndyCar pretty closely and attended a couple races each year when I lived in WI (Elkhart Lake / Milwaukee), but then the IRL killed it for me. Diluted the talent too much and made both series unwatchable. I grew up in a great era for American open wheel racing watching the Unsers, the Andrettis (four of them at times), Foyt, Mears, Sullivan, Rahal, etc... heck they even let Mansell come play for a while. Then Tony George blew it all up for no reason other than greed. (He sort of reminds me of those "like minded" people in college hockey... but that's another story.)

    In the last few years IndyCar is drawing me back in again. The talent level is back up and the cars are starting to shed some of the ridiculous / excessive body work they added in the early 2010s. F1 is ok. I like the technology, but only one or two teams really has a chance to win. Everyone else is fighting for the final spot on the podiums most races. Heck, just scoring a point is an accomplishment for most F1 teams.

    I've taken a liking to sports car racing in recent years. In spite of what most fans will say about "balance of performance" it generally works. If a team has their stuff together, nearly anyone can win in a given season in spite of the vast differences of the car profiles and drive trains.

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    Is this car of yours an SCCA car or is it set up for another sanctioning body and what class is it running in.

    A race car engineer is someone who is primarily responsible for the set up of the car. Every track has a different set up. You can fudge in a basic set of parameters but you won't be quick unless you can make changes at the track that improve lap times over a period of time.. Even older cars, if well engineered can be quick. It's 1/2 art and 1/2 science.

    As an example, the primary two parameters to making a car quick are spring rates and shock settings.( but there are many more parameters to monitor) Shocks these days can be adjustable up to 4 ways. You have to know what kind of changes help with a particular problem and what hurt. You might change spring rates several times during a test day.
    Indy car has improved greatly in the last year or two. So has indy lights. The Detroit GP is a great place to see them up close.
    Also once you get to the higher classes, there are so many different parameters it's mind boggling.. Downforce being very important and the effects that changes make in downforce or the reaction to downforce are critical. Every change to even one small thing will effect all the other parameters you are following. It's very easy to mess things up big time. Also data analysis is huge. big teams have a couple of people who's sole job is data analysis.
    Lastly, downforce is only one component of Aerodynamics and so managing drag numbers has gotten huge recently.
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    Is this car of yours an SCCA car or is it set up for another sanctioning body and what class is it running in.
    I don't run in any wheel to wheel competitive classes as my car is bone stock other than tires and brake pads. Currently I just run open track days and PDX (Performance Driving eXperience) portions of SCCA and NASA event weekends. They mix our sessions into the weekend and frankly we just subsidize the cost of renting the track by getting more participants involved. And I suppose they also hope to hook a few people and convince them to work their way up through the ranks to get a competition license. I'm about halfway through the NASA program, but I don't have an interest in getting a comp license as I can't afford to race the Corvette. I would rather get into Spec Miata / LeMons / Chump Car where I can repair body work damage with a hammer and spray paint rather than a couple thousand dollars out of pocket.

    The only competitive event I've ever run was on my trip to Laguna Seca last summer. Out West they have a Spec Corvette series where you can simply put a timing/scoring transponder on your street legal car and complete on a time trial basis where best lap time wins. It was a blast and I took second in my class by a couple tenths to the overall series winner. He runs Laguna Seca all the time as he is local to the area so I was thrilled with second on my first visit to the track. I've watched races there on TV for 25+ years so it was awesome to finally drop through the corkscrew behind the wheel.

    I thought you had the inside track to get someone working behind the scenes as a gopher or something else non-essential for a race weekend (waxing rims, getting marbles off used tires, fetching lunch, etc.). Sorry I can't you with trimming out an actual race car.

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    There's a guy I work with who was a raced Forumal Ford in his earlier days. He's been writing a website on his observations about training his mind to "go fast." I'm not a racing guy at all but I found this fascinating, especially what he calls the learning spiral and sensation of speed. It may be trivial for you racing experts but since I'm trolling your thread on a non-hockey topic I figure WTH. http://www.intuitivespeed.com/

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    There's a guy I work with who was a raced Forumal Ford in his earlier days. He's been writing a website on his observations about training his mind to "go fast." I'm not a racing guy at all but I found this fascinating, especially what he calls the learning spiral and sensation of speed. It may be trivial for you racing experts but since I'm trolling your thread on a non-hockey topic I figure WTH. http://www.intuitivespeed.com/
    that's a good approximation of what it's actually like. No one goes fast right away. Only a few are really talented enough to be professionals. It's just way harder than it looks. Right now the best way to get inexpensive track time is finding simulation racing someplace..Rfactor2, is a good place.
    Usually some, insert expletive here, thinks he is fast, comes roaring into turn one right after the start and collects 2 or three other guys in his trip to the grass. I hate being the person collected. There are no scouts in the stands at these events, and you are not going to get an indy ride by going fast in some lesser class. it's a really fun hobby. that's it. In fact there is not more fun to be had with your clothes on.

    Ryan I encourage you to get a license,.. find a vintage car, which is a lot cheaper than that vette, and go racing.With your present experience you would qualify for a vintage license.
    You could trade that car for a good Formula VEE and have the time of your life for three or four years before the money from the sale ran out. Believe me, Vee racing is fun, you learn a lot and it's a lot faster than you think. And no I do not race FV, but it's by far the best way to get into it.
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    Anyone looking for a good read you might try, " The Russian Five" by Keith Gave. It's not just a sports book, which I find usually crummy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manurespreader View Post
    Only a few are really talented enough to be professionals. It's just way harder than it looks...Usually some, insert expletive here, thinks he is fast, comes roaring into turn one right after the start and collects 2 or three other guys in his trip to the grass.
    Ryan I encourage you to get a license,.. find a vintage car, which is a lot cheaper than that vette, and go racing.
    I've seen that first hand several times. Most recently I was at a Corvette gathering at Road America following the 2012 IMSA race. For a fee, they let ANYONE with a Corvette on the track (bone stock / no experience to full race prep'd licensed cars, all driving together... what could possibly go wrong?).

    Guy with a brand new 2012 ZR1 (only ~630+ HP) goes out, does the pace lap, leads the pack down to the green flag bombing down the long front straight at gosh knows what speed. By the time I got to turn one he was 150+ feet into the gravel trap. Luckily for everyone it was only his car involved and he only suffered embarrassment, bruised ego and a car packed with pea gravel. I saw him leaving the track about an hour later after they pulled him out. He didn't even crack the front carbon fiber splitter so he got off REAL easy. On a four mile track he went roughly 4.25 miles (0.25 miles "at speed") before he was completely out of control.

    Honestly the only thing keeping me out of wheel to wheel racing now is lack of space. In WI I had a nice 30x20 building with slab floor, heated, insulated, drywall, even connections for water that I never turned on... the whole nine yards with plenty of room for "toys." Now I'm in the Denver 'burbs with a two-stall garage. Unless I install a lift, I just don't have the space to put a track car. So as a result, my track car also has to be a street legal daily driver. If I was living somewhere else, I would likely be doing Spec Miata right now. Just no where to put it unless I rent space, which would strain the racing budget to the point where it would be too stressful.

    Maybe years from now things will change again and the opportunity to go racing will present itself. For the time being I'll just keep working on "driver modifications" and be ready if the opportunity arises. Likely making my first trip to Utah Motorsports Campus next month with NASA so another new track to learn...

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    I've seen that first hand several times. Most recently I was at a Corvette gathering at Road America following the 2012 IMSA race. For a fee, they let ANYONE with a Corvette on the track (bone stock / no experience to full race prep'd licensed cars, all driving together... what could possibly go wrong?).

    Guy with a brand new 2012 ZR1 (only ~630+ HP) goes out, does the pace lap, leads the pack down to the green flag bombing down the long front straight at gosh knows what speed. By the time I got to turn one he was 150+ feet into the gravel trap. Luckily for everyone it was only his car involved and he only suffered embarrassment, bruised ego and a car packed with pea gravel. I saw him leaving the track about an hour later after they pulled him out. He didn't even crack the front carbon fiber splitter so he got off REAL easy. On a four mile track he went roughly 4.25 miles (0.25 miles "at speed") before he was completely out of control.

    Honestly the only thing keeping me out of wheel to wheel racing now is lack of space. In WI I had a nice 30x20 building with slab floor, heated, insulated, drywall, even connections for water that I never turned on... the whole nine yards with plenty of room for "toys." Now I'm in the Denver 'burbs with a two-stall garage. Unless I install a lift, I just don't have the space to put a track car. So as a result, my track car also has to be a street legal daily driver. If I was living somewhere else, I would likely be doing Spec Miata right now. Just no where to put it unless I rent space, which would strain the racing budget to the point where it would be too stressful.

    Maybe years from now things will change again and the opportunity to go racing will present itself. For the time being I'll just keep working on "driver modifications" and be ready if the opportunity arises. Likely making my first trip to Utah Motorsports Campus next month with NASA so another new track to learn...

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    it doesn't happen every race, but you have to work up to the best braking point a little at a time. I keep one car in the garage, even in the winter and one car outside. My race car uses less than 1/3 of the garage. ( if I really worked at it, I could in the winter shoehorn both cars and the race car in.) I know guys with stackers but I have a couple of friends in Denver who keep their car at the race shop and it's minimal extra cost. about 60 bucks a month. I'd love to have one of those huge garages but in a condo, its not happening. Go out to High plains raceway and crew for someone, that's the best way to get more information... and free parties. It's a blast I can tell you.
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    I would think Brooks remains until the WMU job opens up, and Steward, Idk. I really like the staff as a whole and hope it sticks for a couple seasons
    when WMU announced andy m. they said "a NCAA championship within 10 years" - 10 years comes up in 2021.

    he will be over 70 years old... unless he is trying to beat jerry york, expect a retirement soon?

    and the coach(es) WMU hires will say lots about their commitment not only to a championship but more importantly to the NACHO.

    and besides a possible HC gig, i can also see brooks becoming an assistant there... on this way to "bigger and better" things.

    regardless, the coaching trio we have now, beats what we had with mel, joe, and gary (he came across as lazy to me).

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    when WMU announced andy m. they said "a NCAA championship within 10 years" - 10 years comes up in 2021.

    he will be over 70 years old... unless he is trying to beat jerry york, expect a retirement soon?

    and the coach(es) WMU hires will say lots about their commitment not only to a championship but more importantly to the NACHO.

    and besides a possible HC gig, i can also see brooks becoming an assistant there... on this way to "bigger and better" things.

    regardless, the coaching trio we have now, beats what we had with mel, joe, and gary (he came across as lazy to me).
    Agreed. these guys are very very good at what they do. When you are that good, others are watching and you get opportunities. I'd like to see them all get a raise though. I think they deserve that.
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    Agreed. these guys are very very good at what they do. When you are that good, others are watching and you get opportunities. I'd like to see them all get a raise though. I think they deserve that.
    With the bump in Grant Potulny's salary it may be overdue

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    The second off-season edition of the Joe Shawhan Hour is scheduled for 8:45am on Monday June 11 on Mix 93 WKMJ.

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    Are they announcing your hiring as the new Director of Hockey Opps?
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    Are they announcing your hiring as the new Director of Hockey Opps?

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    Not any time soon. If I could convince my wife to move to the Copper Country, maybe. But the chances are the same as Tech winning both the Big Ten and ECAC playoff titles next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John J. MacInnes View Post
    The second off-season edition of the Joe Shawhan Hour is scheduled for 8:45am on Monday June 11 on Mix 93 WKMJ.
    Early start. Thanks for the announcement. I was wondering when the next one was.

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