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    New Minnesota Wild GM Paul Fenton has hired as an assistant former Terrier Jack Ferreira, the man who gave him a scouting job with San Jose when Fenton's playing career ended. Ferreira was also GM of the previous Minnesota team, the Stars. https://www.hockeywilderness.com/201...n-front-office

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet View Post
    THANK YOU for posting this. You articulated this better than I could. I was getting into a back and forth with them last night. It was so odd how upset Adam Wodon was getting, to the point where he blocked on person on Twitter after being kinda rude to him and complaining he was being attacked (which he wasn't and if he thinks THAT was being attacked, he's pretty new to this game). He was overly defensive. Both had issues with BU wanting someone who was a graduate and that all but left O'Connell as the only candidate and that they strung Bennett along. Which they did not. That's how it works in the real world. And if Bennett had issues with that process and then whined to certain people about it, then he absolutely was the wrong person for the job.
    It was tempting to get into a back-forth with Wodon and Joe Meloni, but like players on the ice, sometimes it's best to skate away and not retaliate. Agree 110% with how bent out of shape Wodon got over this, which seemed to cross the line between providing commentary/op-ed and something that truly struck a nerve with him. I used to respect the work Wodon did, but he's been a bit erratic of late when reading his tweets; he even seemed Trump-esque at times over the BU situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friend_of_BU_Hockey View Post
    BU absolutely made the right choice. Albie is the right coach for both right now and long-term.

    Hiring Bennett would've been a colossal risk for BU, one that I think would've been costly for BU in multiple ways -- buyout from existing contract, lost $$$$ from ticket sales & FOH donations, and Bennett being a flight risk from day 1 if the NHL or his alma mater came calling.

    I also perceive that Bennett (or someone in his camp) has been going to his "friends" in the media to promote him. In recent days I've seen at least 4 prominent college hockey media folks "go to bat" for him on Twitter advocating him for the BU job. In the last 1-2 days, 2 of these writers -- both of whom mostly cover the ECAC for the same outlet -- have, IMO, pretty much revealed themselves as shills for Bennett. These 2 writers have been particularly critical towards the BU administration over the search/hiring process, using other BU candidates reportedly in the mix as examples as disguise for them promoting Bennett. One writer has also been patting himself on the back on Twitter for drawing the ire of the BU fan base.

    I also learned that Union's President is stepping down; he's reportedly a huge supporter of the hockey program and I presume Bennett has a strong relationship with him. With that in mind, I speculate Bennett may have been using the BU opportunity to get his name out there by leveraging folks in the media whom he has a good rapport with to promote him. This is NOT the type of head coach I want at BU, nor anywhere for that matter.

    In any event, I think BU is in very good hands with Albie and it'll be interesting to see how he rounds out his staff.
    I'd like to read these tweets and comments. Besides Wodon and Meloni, who were the other two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friend_of_BU_Hockey View Post
    It was tempting to get into a back-forth with Wodon and Joe Meloni, but like players on the ice, sometimes it's best to skate away and not retaliate. Agree 110% with how bent out of shape Wodon got over this, which seemed to cross the line between providing commentary/op-ed and something that truly struck a nerve with him. I used to respect the work Wodon did, but he's been a bit erratic of late when reading his tweets; he even seemed Trump-esque at times over the BU situation.
    I did try to state that this job is more than just the coaching. The head coach is the face of this program, involving more than just the play on the ice. They seem to just be focusing on the coaching aspect. You can't do that in college hockey in my opinion. While it's really awesome that this program has become a definite stepping stone to the NHL for more than just players, this is not the #32ndNHLTeam we joke about. At least in my opinion.

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    From this outsiders perspective, I think BU made the right decision going with Albie as well. The guy has built some good experience, he's put his time in, and it provides continuity, and it would be very hard to say that he doesn't deserve it.
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    Here's his twitter feed: https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/with_replies?lang=en

    You'll have a hard time backing up the assertion that he was shilling for Bennett based on those tweets. FYI the BU fans in his mentions seem just as butt hurt about mildly critical comments about the BU hiring process as he does responding to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BU Fan 84 View Post
    I'd like to read these tweets and comments. Besides Wodon and Meloni, who were the other two?
    Starman and Nate Ewell. Both put in a good word earlier in the process about Bennett's coaching abilities and track record at Union. Neither were as staunchly advocating for Bennett the way the CHN duo have come across. But it's hard not to believe that Bennett or those in his camp have been talking to the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BU Fan 84 View Post
    I'd like to read these tweets and comments. Besides Wodon and Meloni, who were the other two?
    This is the main one:

    @CHN_AdamWodon

    BU's AD locked himself in a bubble during this process and it's going to cost this storied program dearly.

    https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/st...56934590320641
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    Quote Originally Posted by popester View Post
    Here's his twitter feed: https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/with_replies?lang=en

    You'll have a hard time backing up the assertion that he was shilling for Bennett based on those tweets.
    I didn't quote your ridiculous "butthurt" comment. Where I will agree is that there is no evidence they are shilling for Bennett in particular.

    However, those two seem very eager to throw some suspense and drama into this process and they have produced nothing to back that up. The below tweet is particularly ridiculous.




    Where I will agree with Wodon is that BU shouldn't have eliminated candidates that didn't graduate. That is kind of silly IMO. People can coach NHL without graduating but not at BU? I know the response would be something like BU is a high-end University and should have a college graduate coaching. Well my response would be BU has been recruiting players for years that we know will never graduate before they even set foot on campus. Makes that point a bit hypocritical, no?

    FYI - to be clear, I am completely supportive of hiring Albie. Not the exciting pick that Quinn was IMO, but likely the right pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater View Post

    Where I will agree with Wodon is that BU shouldn't have eliminated candidates that didn't graduate. That is kind of silly IMO. People can coach NHL without graduating but not at BU? I know the response would be something like BU is a high-end University and should have a college graduate coaching. Well my response would be BU has been recruiting players for years that we know will never graduate before they even set foot on campus. Makes that point a bit hypocritical, no?

    FYI - to be clear, I am completely supportive of hiring Albie. Not the exciting pick that Quinn was IMO, but likely the right pick.
    I'm with you on that as well, but if that's a policy the University has put in place, than that's the policy the University has put in place. If those guys that left early chose not to actually get their degree, that's their choice but it's now also a consequence that they have to deal with. I don't think either Sacco or Donatelli were that many light years ahead of Albie as a coaching option to make an exception, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater View Post

    Where I will agree with Wodon is that BU shouldn't have eliminated candidates that didn't graduate. That is kind of silly IMO. People can coach NHL without graduating but not at BU? I know the response would be something like BU is a high-end University and should have a college graduate coaching. Well my response would be BU has been recruiting players for years that we know will never graduate before they even set foot on campus. Makes that point a bit hypocritical, no?
    My read of the comments from these writers has been that they're chiding BU too narrowly focusing on candidates who would presumably not leave for the NHL and were from "in the family", not as much on the lack of degree thing.
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    Best of luck to Albie. I echo the sentiments of most here, especially given that I have frequently emphasized the "continuity" component. I was glad to see that he was rewarded for his time, effort and commitment to the program. Regarding the Bennett talk, if they were going to hire an "outsider," he would have been about the last person I would have wanted to see. I don't feel as though it will have a negative impact on recruiting at all, and I wouldn't be surprised to see things move forward without missing a beat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Friend_of_BU_Hockey View Post
    Starman and Nate Ewell. Both put in a good word earlier in the process about Bennett's coaching abilities and track record at Union. Neither were as staunchly advocating for Bennett the way the CHN duo have come across. But it's hard not to believe that Bennett or those in his camp have been talking to the media.
    Regarding Starman, although it seems as though many people don't like him (I always assumed that was because he had somewhat of a "Western bias"), I thought he had always done a decent job when I have heard him. Therefore, it seems bizarre that just because someone would "reach out" to him that he would become an advocate. I'm guessing there must be a long-term relationship there somewhere (although I obviously have no knowledge of such).
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    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    My read of the comments from these writers has been that they're chiding BU too narrowly focusing on candidates who would presumably not leave for the NHL and were from "in the family", not as much on the lack of degree thing.
    OK, but Wodon mentioned the lack on considering someone without a degree specifically on one of his replies.



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    Okay, I have read through the tweets. I think they were very out of line. I also read through some of their other tweets that are not hockey related, and can definitely see that their tweets regarding BU probably are not out of the norm for their personalities. I do not think Albie O'Connell was the best person for the job, but I don't think it is going to cost the program "dearly." I don't think it will cost us much, I imagine things will stay pretty consistent and similar to the past four years.

    I have no problem with requiring a college degree for the job. As someone posted the other day, isn't that a NCAA rule? Or at least something that is standard across the NCAA? I mean, come on - you want a job that pays several hundred thousand? Get a degree. It's not that tough. If Sacco couldn't get it done by September, then he shouldn't be eligible for the position. If Pandolfo could, then I think he should have been given strong consideration.

    The aspect that I disagree with the most is the idea that we need a coach who is going to stick around for decades and decades. Our coaches don't all need to be Jack Parker. Yes, it isn't great that we had a coaching search again, five years later (can't blame Quinn at all - way too much money to pass up). It was probably sooner than most people expected - I figured more around the 10-year mark. But if you thought David Qiunn was going to coach at BU for 30 years, then you are insane. How many coaches have done that in the history of college hockey? Four or five? But I think you need to get the best coach available, even if he "might" leave after awhile for an NHL head coach position. There are way too many factors that go into that to be able to predict that a potential hire will ever get that call, let alone have it be the right situation with the right money offered. Not offering the job to someone like Pandolfo because he might want to be an NHL head coach someday? Sounds like a big mistake to me. Not talking to Hynes? I don't know ... that whole situation is weird, anyway. Rather than go for it and get a great coach, they got a guy who is one step down from that. Decent hire, but not great. Which is probably how we'll describe his career when it is over. I know we're going to be looking at a dysfunctional, underachieving power play. I just hope he recognizes his own weaknesses and gets a strong associate HC to do strategy, x's and o's, in-game adjustments. Who knows, maybe he was better at that stuff than Quinn and Quinn just never let him get his ideas out.

    With that being said, I think anyone who thought BU would hire Bennett is an idiot. Including Bennett, if he actually thought that. Blow up the program and change to a completely different style of coaching, recruiting, and playing the game? No thanks. Bennett would know that, too. I am sure they brought him in (and probably considered other coaches, too) to get an outside idea of things. What are other coaches like, etc. Doing their due diligence. I don't think they strung him along at all. Do these writers really thing the AD and President and VP are going to waste their time interviewing candidates? The other thing to consider here is that these clowns at CHN were the ones who said Bennett was a candidate at BU. Everything started from them. Was he really a final candidate for the job?

    My final thought is that, five or so years from now, we are going to be sitting here saying, "Man, we should've hired Freddy Meyer." He will end up being the Hynes of the last coaching search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    I would be ecstatic to have Keefe on the staff. It'd also be nice to have another "outsider" coach on the staff as well, especially one with an established relationship with Albie and has proven himself to be a fantastic top assistant.
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    I previously stated my opinion that BU should hire Albie, so I want to thank Drew and BU for doing so and to congratulate Albie on his promotion and wish him and BU great success. I do, however, have one request: bring back the traditional jerseys worn for most of the past 50 seasons.

    As for Adam Wodon:
    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    This is the main one:

    @CHN_AdamWodon

    BU's AD locked himself in a bubble during this process and it's going to cost this storied program dearly.

    https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/st...56934590320641
    This one is just as bad
    Give a read here ... BU is stumbling through this hire this time around. They have unnecessarily narrowed their pool of candidates to try to find someone who will stay a while. These days, the NCAA/NHL bond is strong, so good people may leave. So what. Don't shoot self in foot.
    https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/st...27747632123905

    What I find most interesting about this is I didn't read anything like it when Denver hired David Carle as head coach. No talk about DU's AD costing their program dearly for hiring an assistant with no head coaching experience over Coach Bazin. And compare the two CHN articles. In the fourth paragraph of the article on Carle's hire, after a glowing paragraph of him being the youngest DI head coach since 1999 and a single sentence paragraph that he was he was offered the UAA position, it states "...but Denver went through with a lengthy interview process that included a long look at Massachusetts-Lowell's Norm Bazin.". Yet no knock on Carle for his lack of head coaching experince. In fact the article makes sure to let it be known that Carle had starting coaching as a freshman in college, so he had 4 more years of coaching experience than others his age. Now compare that to the article on BU hiring Coach O'Connell where, in the second paragraph it states "Though he has never been a head coach on any level, O'Connell has been an assistant at a variety of New England schools consistently since he started coaching in 2003." Pretty much a straight slap in the face.

    I was also surprised by Joe Meloni's tweet
    Hell of an ascent for Albie in the last few years. BU is in an interesting spot right now.
    Albie has spent 15 seasons as an assistant coach in the college ranks and it's a "hell of an ascent"? Yet when I do a search for similar tweets about Coach Carle I don't find any. Which is strange because it would seem that Coach Carle had more of a "hell of an ascent". And I don't recall any such concern when North Dakota promoted Brad Berry within 24 hours of Dave Hakstol resigning and being named the Flyers head coach. No national search, no looking at top head coaches, and yet nothing about how UND made a mistake.

    Oh, and I really like that the CHN article on Albie being named head coach states Coach Parker stayed for the next 30 years. They can't even get a simple and well known fact correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BU Fan 84 View Post
    Okay, I have read through the tweets. I think they were very out of line. I also read through some of their other tweets that are not hockey related, and can definitely see that their tweets regarding BU probably are not out of the norm for their personalities. I do not think Albie O'Connell was the best person for the job, but I don't think it is going to cost the program "dearly." I don't think it will cost us much, I imagine things will stay pretty consistent and similar to the past four years.

    I have no problem with requiring a college degree for the job. As someone posted the other day, isn't that a NCAA rule? Or at least something that is standard across the NCAA? I mean, come on - you want a job that pays several hundred thousand? Get a degree. It's not that tough. If Sacco couldn't get it done by September, then he shouldn't be eligible for the position. If Pandolfo could, then I think he should have been given strong consideration.

    The aspect that I disagree with the most is the idea that we need a coach who is going to stick around for decades and decades. Our coaches don't all need to be Jack Parker. Yes, it isn't great that we had a coaching search again, five years later (can't blame Quinn at all - way too much money to pass up). It was probably sooner than most people expected - I figured more around the 10-year mark. But if you thought David Qiunn was going to coach at BU for 30 years, then you are insane. How many coaches have done that in the history of college hockey? Four or five? But I think you need to get the best coach available, even if he "might" leave after awhile for an NHL head coach position. There are way too many factors that go into that to be able to predict that a potential hire will ever get that call, let alone have it be the right situation with the right money offered. Not offering the job to someone like Pandolfo because he might want to be an NHL head coach someday? Sounds like a big mistake to me. Not talking to Hynes? I don't know ... that whole situation is weird, anyway. Rather than go for it and get a great coach, they got a guy who is one step down from that. Decent hire, but not great. Which is probably how we'll describe his career when it is over. I know we're going to be looking at a dysfunctional, underachieving power play. I just hope he recognizes his own weaknesses and gets a strong associate HC to do strategy, x's and o's, in-game adjustments. Who knows, maybe he was better at that stuff than Quinn and Quinn just never let him get his ideas out.

    With that being said, I think anyone who thought BU would hire Bennett is an idiot. Including Bennett, if he actually thought that. Blow up the program and change to a completely different style of coaching, recruiting, and playing the game? No thanks. Bennett would know that, too. I am sure they brought him in (and probably considered other coaches, too) to get an outside idea of things. What are other coaches like, etc. Doing their due diligence. I don't think they strung him along at all. Do these writers really thing the AD and President and VP are going to waste their time interviewing candidates? The other thing to consider here is that these clowns at CHN were the ones who said Bennett was a candidate at BU. Everything started from them. Was he really a final candidate for the job?

    My final thought is that, five or so years from now, we are going to be sitting here saying, "Man, we should've hired Freddy Meyer." He will end up being the Hynes of the last coaching search.
    In Albie's other coaching stops, the power play was good, and he often got credit for it.
    Although it didn't always look like it, BU's PP was one of the more effective ones in the league.

    It was the penalty killing this past year thst was pretty woeful. Who was in-charge of that unit?

    Albie's assistant coaching hires will tell a lot about him. A solid head coach will hire strong assistants in areas that he recognizes his own weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Cleverly View Post
    Len Quesnelle doesn't float your boat?
    I personally have wondered how much he was responsible for the ****ty first half of this past season. Just curious that he comes on and all of a sudden the quality of play plummets as compared to the past few seasons? I was told by some folks that no, I am wrong, he is really well-respected and highly regarded, but I don't know .... He certainly never had much success in wins and losses as a coach. Prior to Quinn leaving, I was hoping Len would not be back. Hopefully that is more likely now.

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