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    Don't overlook Bennett. No nonsense assistant under Nate Lehman who won NCAA title for the non-scholarship Dutch. Has dominated ECAC.
    Coach Bennett pretty much makes the case for BU to hire Albie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    Coach Bennett pretty much makes the case for BU to hire Albie.

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    If BU is going to hire an outsider the AD would have to make the judgment that the current track of the program isn't what he wants and isn't the most successful one. Bennett (or any other of the non-BU candidates) brings in a very different style of coaching, recruiting, and program philosophy. Hiring that outsider would require a complete overhaul of the coaching staff, a complete overhaul of the recruiting targets as many would decommit, and potentially an overhaul of the roster depending on who left. I really don't think that's the right move for the program right now. What remains to be seen is if any of the "BU family" candidates meet the coaching requirements that the AD is looking for.

    The program is in an excellent spot right now relative to the rest of the conference and nationally. Quinn did an excellent job of modernizing BU hockey from a recruiting, analytics, and philosophy standpoint after Parker left it in the 1990s. The qualms with Quinn were specific x's and o's points, not that he was recruiting poorly, not keeping his players, or any off-ice issues. If Albie can convince the AD that he's got the right x's and o's mettle to be a head coach, he would appear to be the most logical choice as he's been an integral part of the other successes the program has had since Quinn took over.
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    If BU is going to hire an outsider the AD would have to make the judgment that the current track of the program isn't what he wants and isn't the most successful one. Bennett (or any other of the non-BU candidates) brings in a very different style of coaching, recruiting, and program philosophy. Hiring that outsider would require a complete overhaul of the coaching staff, a complete overhaul of the recruiting targets as many would decommit, and potentially an overhaul of the roster depending on who left. I really don't think that's the right move for the program right now. What remains to be seen is if any of the "BU family" candidates meet the coaching requirements that the AD is looking for.

    The program is in an excellent spot right now relative to the rest of the conference and nationally. Quinn did an excellent job of modernizing BU hockey from a recruiting, analytics, and philosophy standpoint after Parker left it in the 1990s. The qualms with Quinn were specific x's and o's points, not that he was recruiting poorly, not keeping his players, or any off-ice issues. If Albie can convince the AD that he's got the right x's and o's mettle to be a head coach, he would appear to be the most logical choice as he's been an integral part of the other successes the program has had since Quinn took over.

    Appreciate thoughtful posters like Sean and Brassbonanza weighing in. Good points. BU's lucky to have a deep pool of good candidates. BU's a special place.

    I think Bennett would be a strong candidate. Lots of paths lead to success. (title: Union 7, Minnesota 4) Looking at Union's level of commitment and their success rate, imagine what a seasoned college coach like Bennett could do with our obvious resource advantages.

    At least reach out and do the due diligence. He may yet turn up at BU... coaching another HE team. (A stretch? Ask Nate Lehman.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkshire BU Fan View Post
    Appreciate thoughtful posters like Sean and Brassbonanza weighing in. Good points. BU's lucky to have a deep pool of good candidates. BU's a special place.

    I think Bennett would be a strong candidate. Lots of paths lead to success. (title: Union 7, Minnesota 4) Looking at Union's level of commitment and their success rate, imagine what a seasoned college coach like Bennett could do with our obvious resource advantages.

    At least reach out and do the due diligence. He may yet turn up at BU... coaching another HE team. (A stretch? Ask Nate Lehman.)
    My comments certainly were no knock on Bennett, he's an excellent coach who with the resources at BU would very likely do a great job. It's more that the upfront cost of hiring someone completely new who runs a totally different system would be very, very high. That cost being what I noted above - current coaches, recruits, roster, staff, etc. Is it worthwhile to throw all of that out the window to hire someone? My thoughts are no.
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    did hokey move out west?
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    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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    I laugh every time I read or hear someone say this.
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    You hire the best coach for the job. Period.
    The whole 'who is likely to leave for the NHL or not' question should be a moot point. If an NHL team makes them an offer they can't refuse, they must have been doing a very good job. And then you move on to the next one.

    The chances that BU hires from outside the Terrier hockey family are practically nill.

    If your choices are from Albie O'Connell, Joe Sacco, Jay Pandolfo and Clark Donatelli, they have all bases covered.

    Nate Leaman, Norm Bazin and Rick Bennett are all excellent coaches. I doubt any of them will be the Terriers next head coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Cleverly View Post
    You hire the best coach for the job. Period.
    The whole 'who is likely to leave for the NHL or not' question should be a moot point. If an NHL team makes them an offer they can't refuse, they must have been doing a very good job. And then you move on to the next one.

    The chances that BU hires from outside the Terrier hockey family are practically nill.

    If your choices are from Albie O'Connell, Joe Sacco, Jay Pandolfo and Clark Donatelli, they have all bases covered.

    Nate Leaman, Norm Bazin and Rick Bennett are all excellent coaches. I doubt any of them will be the Terriers next head coach.
    I agree with your original statement, though the prerequisites of the "best coach for the job" do include a projection of how likely that coach would be to jump at the first pro job that opens up. That's my main concern with Sacco, as a former NHL HC how much is he itching to get back into the pros and would he consider BU a stopover to prove himself for a few years and move back up? That concern is far less so with someone like Albie. Obviously if a situation like Quinn took is presented, well no college coach is going to say no to $12 million to coach an Original 6 team in the biggest sports market in the country - or if the Bruins came calling with a huge contract at some point down the line. But I also don't want a coach who's going to jump at the first call from the Carolina Hurricanes.
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    News flash: Next time you watch almost any NHL game, take a good look at who does the talking during timeouts: The AC for offense talks to the forwards and the AC for defense talks to the D. And when the cameras pan to the benches during play, take a good look at who is in the players' ears. It's rarely the HC. Check in on most D1 college teams and you'll see the same thing. (In NU's case, Keefe talks to the forwards and Jason Smith talks to the Dmen.) Not good enough for you?: Look at NFL timeouts and bench shots. The OC runs the offensive TOs and bench, and the DC runs the DC TOs and bench. The HCs have other things to do. (Exhibit A: Bill Belichik) And yes, Madigan darn well does run the program, which is what HCs do.
    For all of the in-game coaching that Madigan does, he might as well be a ghost. Or sitting in the press box.

    He is like a younger Red Berenson, without the cachet.

    A lot of head coaches still actually coach during the game. Quinn did all of the talking during time outs.

    The NHL has changed a lot in recent years. Many college head coaches still coach during the games.

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    I agree with your original statement, though the prerequisites of the "best coach for the job" do include a projection of how likely that coach would be to jump at the first pro job that opens up. That's my main concern with Sacco, as a former NHL HC how much is he itching to get back into the pros and would he consider BU a stopover to prove himself for a few years and move back up? That concern is far less so with someone like Albie. Obviously if a situation like Quinn took is presented, well no college coach is going to say no to $12 million to coach an Original 6 team in the biggest sports market in the country - or if the Bruins came calling with a huge contract at some point down the line. But I also don't want a coach who's going to jump at the first call from the Carolina Hurricanes.
    Parker turned down the NHL at least four times -- the Bruins twice, the Whalers and the Kings. He may have also turned down the Ducks when Jack Ferreira was GM there.

    Sacco has been there, and done that. Money aside, the supposition is just as great that he wants to come back to his alma mater as he would jump at the first opportunity to go back. We don't have any idea, unless we have heard it directly from him what his future aspirations happen to be.

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    For all of the in-game coaching that Madigan does, he might as well be a ghost. Or sitting in the press box...
    You need to watch the NU bench a little harder.
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    Setting the Vegas Odds:
    Albie: 3 to 1
    Sacco: 4 to 1
    Pandolfo: 6 to 1
    Donatelli: 10 to 1
    Greeley: 30 to 1
    Young: 30 to 1
    McEachern: 40 to 1
    Leaman: 50 to 1
    Keefe: 60 to 1
    Dennehy: 60 to 1
    Field: 80 to 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    Setting the Vegas Odds:
    Albie: 3 to 1
    Sacco: 4 to 1
    Pandolfo: 6 to 1
    Donatelli: 10 to 1
    Greeley: 30 to 1
    Young: 30 to 1
    McEachern: 40 to 1
    Leaman: 50 to 1
    Keefe: 60 to 1
    Dennehy: 60 to 1
    Field: 80 to 1
    You could do worse than Greeley at those odds.

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    Felt Crone was not used properly the past season
    May have had issues with size and defense but a goal scorer which Bu needed being only about 6 deep at forward
    had non productive 3 and 4th line till the very end when Crone was used more

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    Brady Tkachuk of @TerrierHockey has informed me that no decision on where he will play next season has been determined. He will review every option after the 2018 NHL Draft w/ his parents, adviser Craig Oster, & whichever team chooses him.
    Well he certainly has an excuse now if he bails.
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    Please, no Rick Bennett. I haven't liked him since he pulled his Woody Hayes move against RPI (Woody gets fired, Rick gets a slap on the wrist). I don't think that was an anomaly.

    We have plenty of very good options to choose from without having to take that one.
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