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  • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    Schiff would be my guy...he has countered the GOP collusion bs perfectly.
    I agree that Schiff would be a good choice. Knows how to use judo -- look at the way he's run circles around Dump and his syndicate -- and understands media.
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    • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

      Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
      I absolutely disagree with this. I think there is a huge group of Americans with an unconscious, unacknowledged, probably unacknowledgeable bias against women and minorities. A lot of them probably vote D occasionally...just not if it's a woman. But not because of her gender, you understand - they just happen not to like her policies or personality or trustworthiness, or.....
      I'm with you on this one.
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        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        I'm with you on this one.
        Maybe the Olds. But I want to believe the portion of the electorate with functioning brain cells isn't still f-cked up by that stuff. Homophobia, absolutely, that won't go away for a while -- maybe ever given the war zone of the elementary school yard for boys -- but sexism ought to be a dead letter and racism ought to be restricted now only to those who live in utterly segregated communities. Most of those are actually in the North. Not a lot of lily white slave state rural areas, but plenty in places like western NY, central PA, and broad swathes of the Midwest and West.

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        • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Maybe the Olds. But I want to believe the portion of the electorate with functioning brain cells isn't still f-cked up by that stuff. Homophobia, absolutely, that won't go away for a while -- maybe ever given the war zone of the elementary school yard for boys -- but sexism ought to be a dead letter and racism ought to be restricted now only to those who live in utterly segregated communities. Most of those are actually in the North. Not a lot of lily white slave state rural areas, but plenty in places like western NY, central PA, and broad swathes of the Midwest and West.

          There is no question that most of them fall into that 33%. But there is always exceptions in every group and it's just a matter of how large that exception is.
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          • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
            There is no question that most of them fall into that 33%. But there are always exceptions in every group and it's just a matter of how large that exception is.
            Sure, but as always I'm talking normal distribution. I think if you map racism against political affiliation the racism mean falls about 2 sigma to the right of the political mean. That would be 95.45 + 4.55/2 = 97.725% of racists to the right of the political spectrum. Not 100% to be sure, but...



            Sexism is maybe 90% and homophobia 80%.

            For racism I'm counting white racism against blacks. Black racism against whites is probably about 99% on the left.

            None of this has anything to do with the percentage of people who are racist -- only the percentage we find in each quadrant. Assuming 50% of the country is right and 10% of the country is racist, we'd expect about 19% of the right to be racist and 1% of the left.
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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              No, that was true in the 1980s. Since then they have all migrated to the GOP as part of the Great Mitosis where all the other scum have moved to the right and been sealed inside the Echo Chamber.
              No. No they haven't.

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              • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                No, that was true in the 1980s. Since then they have all migrated to the GOP as part of the Great Mitosis where all the other scum have moved to the right and been sealed inside the Echo Chamber.


                There are young, mansplaining misogynists within the "Bernie Bro" wing. Hence the pejorative moniker.

                Again, the far-left and far-right have more in common than they think - Horseshoe Theory.

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                  Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                  There are young, mansplaining misogynists within the "Bernie Bro" wing.
                  Nonsense. There are people on the left who (correctly) identify our major problems as deriving from economics rather than our (au current) obsession with gender and race. B students off the academic conveyor belt tilt when they hear this and their only recourse is accusations of sexism and racism, which are ridiculous and say more about them than their ostensible targets. The 1% stokes this response because it distracts the left from the real enemy: the rich.

                  Horseshoe theory is correct, but it describes the social left and right, both of which will resort to authoritarianism to get what they want and neither of which respects freedom or individualism. Both fringes shade off into violent, populist mass psychology which by nature hates the intelligent because they give the lie to all overdetermining ideologies. Both are backed up by the big guns of institutions (business for the right, academia for the left) and those institutions are easily subverted by the plutes to prevent people from finally doing away with them.
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                  • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

                    Exactly, though obviously there are some sexists on the left.

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                    • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

                      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                      Exactly, though obviously there are some sexists on the left.
                      Yes, of course. We are dealing with trends and distributions, not absolutes.
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                      • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

                        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                        Exactly, though obviously there are some sexists on the left.
                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Yes, of course. We are dealing with trends and distributions, not absolutes.
                        So you both just admitted that my original statement was correct. Thanks.

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                        • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

                          I mean, there are a lot of delusional people claiming sexism from Bernie bros when it wasn't the case too.

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                          • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

                            Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                            I mean, there are a lot of delusional people claiming sexism from Bernie bros when it wasn't the case too.
                            Bernies bros engaging in sexism is similarly to 90% of knuckledraggers claiming Obama was a Muslim. 90% of the right doesn't actually think Obama is a Muslim, but since that religion has a negative connotation for them they're happy to label Obama with it.

                            Likewise there probably isn't widespread sexism amongst Sanders supporters, but during and after the primaries his voters were perfectly willing to latch onto any negative stereotype of Hillary ginned up by Putin and his boys as a way to vent their frustration. I'd look no further than some of Kepler's comments at that time as proof out here on this message board for example. These Bernouts aren't inherently sexist. They used sexism as a vehicle to vent their anger (which doesn't make it any more right).
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                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              Likewise there probably isn't widespread sexism amongst Sanders supporters, but during and after the primaries his voters were perfectly willing to latch onto any negative stereotype of Hillary ginned up by Putin and his boys as a way to vent their frustration. I'd look no further than some of Kepler's comments at that time as proof out here on this message board for example. These Bernouts aren't inherently sexist. They used sexism as a vehicle to vent their anger (which doesn't make it any more right).
                              This is so dumb.

                              You're hiding behind Hillary's gender to mask her loathsomeness; just as she cynically did and continues to do, and just as her supporters sincerely albeit lamely do. Even Jezebel calls BS on this tactic for goodness sake. It's Second Wave Feminism and the rest of the thinking world has moved past it. Please move beyond 1988 and the Comments section of Kos.

                              "Elizabeth Bathory" is only sexist if you're dim to the significance of the epithet: IT MEANS SHE DRANK BLOOD NOT THAT SHE WAS A WOMAN! Yes, Womens Studies professors at tier-2 schools are still cranking out the canard that every criticism by a male of a female is inherently sexist, just as every criticism of a non-white by a white is inherently racist, but people with a brain and some historical understanding moved past that swill a generation of scholarship ago. That game can't be played any more except with college sophomores and in the pages of Utne Reader.
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                              • Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                This is so dumb.
                                No, it's 100% accurate.
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