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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Quote Originally Posted by KaMiGo View Post


    Everyone has to know that nothing will ever come of this. He is a university professor of economics, so he can bring out whatever methods and statistics he deems appropriate and he feels that he has the authority to state that there is only one way to interpret the results.

    Definitely true. But his methodology is stupid regarding Knight. Here's a different example of what he's saying: Abilene Christian had about $3.8m in football revenues for 114 football players, so he would say each player brought in about $33k in revenue. OK. But then the next year A/C built a $30 million stadium. If they put the fundraising and cost into the budget for that year, the revenue side is now $33.8 million. So he then says that year's players brought in $296k in revenue each.

    Must have been a hell of a recruiting year to get players worth $260k more each than the ones they had the year before. It's ludicrous.

    Edit: Oh and next year they're gonna be back to the same old $30k schlumps!
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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Quote Originally Posted by KaMiGo View Post
    He replied to my e-mail with a link to that same article as well as some other comments and replies to my direct questions. I'll save you all from the details.

    direct link

    I haven't had a chance to look through the whole thing yet, but will give it a read later.

    Everyone has to know that nothing will ever come of this. He is a university professor of economics, so he can bring out whatever methods and statistics he deems appropriate and he feels that he has the authority to state that there is only one way to interpret the results.

    But you all know me, I love to stick my nose into an argument and dig around for some facts and figures and try to expand/explore a little bit.

    I'll see how long I can keep the conversation going for.
    He clearly has been stuck in Academia too long. If a company pays me $30,000 and I bring in $50,000 I am not exploited. I'm probably going to get fired because I don't make them enough profit. Welcome to the real world professor.

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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    I e-mailed the author once you guys started to. This has blown up. I was ****ed when I attached the link, but I had no idea it would take off. Some of these people write their opinions and the sheep absorb and believe it without any research.

    Good job, y`all

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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadCityRich View Post

    Seriously, any money is difficult to turn down and I believe it's almost 1 million? Any bonuses applied? I expected Kunin to go last year, but this one surprised me a little. I think the Bruins got to him and the Badgers probably still rebuilding.
    Going back to Rich's comment here because I meant to comment on this at the time but forgot about it.

    Frederic will sign his 3 year Entry Level Contract (ELC) in the fall. It's a two-way contract that pays him $70k to play in the AHL or $832,500 to play in the NHL. He will also receive $92,500 per year as a signing bonus either way. 92.5 bonus + 832.5 salary = $925,000, which is his total cap hit if he plays in the NHL all season. He also has bonuses available of an additional $125k (year 1); $212.5k (year 2); $300k (year 3) for hitting various performance based factors.

    If Freddy makes it to the NHL and sticks next year he will make a lot of money. If he stays in the AHL, he will make $70k plus the $92.5k signing bonus, which is nice money, but a long way from being a millionaire.

    With bonus and NHL time, I think Kunin has made somewhere around $300k this season, but obviously he's now out for 7 months with a blown knee.

    Nic Kerdiles is now on a one year, standard 2-way contract that guarantees him $100k in the minors and $650k in the NHL, plus zero signing bonus. He's made around $17,500 in the NHL this year.
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    Ustaski has a goal in each of his last two games. Big guy's a regular scorin' machine.
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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadCityRich View Post
    I e-mailed the author once you guys started to. This has blown up. I was ****ed when I attached the link, but I had no idea it would take off. Some of these people write their opinions and the sheep absorb and believe it without any research.

    Good job, y`all
    Just sent a reply back to him. We'll see what he thinks about my "it is poor form to use a single anomalous year to prove a point" argument.

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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Nic Kerdiles is now on a one year, standard 2-way contract that guarantees him $100k in the minors and $650k in the NHL, plus zero signing bonus. He's made around $17,500 in the NHL this year.
    Shoulda stayed from a hockey standpoint.
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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Bump over spam.....

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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    I don't give a ****** what the rest of the country thinks, but the NCAA hockey tourney isn't the same without Wisconsin, North Dakota,or Minnesota. I thought my interest waned when the Badgers ****ed up,now I have ZERO interest, although my best wishes go to Air Force or Denver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCityRich View Post
    I don't give a ****** what the rest of the country thinks, but the NCAA hockey tourney isn't the same without Wisconsin, North Dakota,or Minnesota. I thought my interest waned when the Badgers ****ed up,now I have ZERO interest, although my best wishes go to Air Force or Denver.
    I donít disagree, but watching the Goophers go from 98 percent chance of getting in at noon yesterday to watching all six of their potential doors shut through the afternoon toward the perfect storm of elimination, did make my Badger heart smile a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    Shoulda stayed from a hockey standpoint.
    My simple rules for early departure that very few seem to follow:

    Go to the show? Tally-Ho! -- Play in the A? Stay!

    Right now the economics of the CBA pushes teams to sign you as early as possible as it provides them with a (relatively) cheap labor pool for 2-3 years. (and beyond if they keep you in the minors early on.) Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but it plays out over and over the same way. To be fair, Kerdiles has struggled with injuries, but had he played one more year of NCAA, got stronger, worked on his shot and his skating with Eaves, who was an excellent skating coach, possibly become an All-American, and then gone to camp, I just feel like his chances of making the big club were going to be much, much better. If he did stay and then went and played even a half season in the NHL, he'd probably have at least 2-3x the money he's made so far. Not to mention what his next contract would have been in comparison to the one he's on right now.

    Frederic may very well end up on the Boston roster next year, he sees the game well, has a stellar shot and is incredibly strong, but it would be somewhat of a surprise. He's not great around the net and has been inconsistent. I didn't get the impression that Tony was nearly as high on Freddy's readiness right now as he was on Kunin a year ago.

    We'll see what happens with him vs. guys like Ryan Donato and Troy Terry who both opted to stay an extra year. Hopefully he'll do great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCityRich View Post
    I don't give a ****** what the rest of the country thinks, but the NCAA hockey tourney isn't the same without Wisconsin, North Dakota,or Minnesota. I thought my interest waned when the Badgers ****ed up,now I have ZERO interest, although my best wishes go to Air Force or Denver.
    Last time the Badgers, Gophers, and Siouxies all played golf during the tournament?

    ===> 1969 <===

    1966 if you include BC.
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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Last time the Badgers, Gophers, and Siouxies all played golf during the tournament?

    ===> 1969 <===

    1966 if you include BC.
    That is crazy. I have no horse in the race this year and have almost no interest as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwhinwi View Post
    That is crazy. I have no horse in the race this year and have almost no interest as a result.
    I am rooting for Air Force.

    I loved the fact the rodents got slowly straggled out of the tourney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    I am rooting for Air Force.

    I loved the fact the rodents got slowly straggled out of the tourney.
    Yeah, it was kind of like having a 10 foot slow burning fuse attached to a book of matches in between toes on Goldy's paw. Better them than us, but it's still not the same.

    (I'm still having issues with the website and it's ****ing me off.)

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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post

    I loved the fact the rodents got slowly straggled out of the tourney.
    After getting embarrassed by the goofs at home it's a small consolation, BUT... at what was sadly the high point of this season, we won at Mariucci on Saturday.

    If the goofs sweep the Badgers at home there instead of splitting, they are a 2 seed in this tournament.

    So there's that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    If the goofs sweep the Badgers at home there instead of splitting, they are a 2 seed in this tournament.

    So there's that.
    So UW knocked both the UM men's and women's teams out of the ncaa's......I can live with that. Is it also possible to say the Sue's tie with UW also hurt their chances AND UW's win against BC did the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    So UW knocked both the UM men's and women's teams out of the ncaa's......I can live with that. Is it also possible to say the Sue's tie with UW also hurt their chances AND UW's win against BC did the same?
    Our tie with UND doesn't really affect Sue's 14th spot much win, lose, or draw. Had BC beat us, they would be 14 and UND would be 16. With all the autobids this year 14th is still out, but in some years 14th is enough to get in... I guess the best you could say is in combination with some other team beating BC and UND, we helped keep them out... kind of a stretch, but is technically true. Which is the best kind of true.
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    Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

    Luciapet out as Goofer coach. Not sure if retired or fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiscTJK View Post
    Luciapet out as Goofer coach. Not sure if retired or fired.
    tDon swims with the fishes, eh?
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