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    I tried very hard to be up to date, but I have made one or two errors in my time. Although Moore played forward, I suspect that he is still penciled in as a defenseman. The log jam at forward is much bigger than that on D.

    I went through an analysis like you did about who has played and who has not, and then I threw it out. I think the early part of the season is not important, the important part as I see it is who has been a healthy scratch recently.

    And don't worry, this could also lead to in-fighting.
    Of the last 8 games, 3 were at D, 4 at forward, and 1 scratch. So if anything, the fact that he's a utility player may be what keeps him around, and should also be taken into account on how many in each position we have.
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    I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Of the returning D-men, Reilly played in every game, while Moore, Harris, and Manley were under 2/3, and Samec just barely over. Those under -10 include Reilly, Samec, and Grant.

    Remember also that Moore has been playing forward to get into the lineup as of late.
    Shane Bear is apparently eligible in January which would add an additional variable to the mix. Someday, I will understand the transfer rule, and when that happens it will be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Shane Bear is apparently eligible in January which would add an additional variable to the mix. Someday, I will understand the transfer rule, and when that happens it will be changed.
    I think we'll all understand it come January.
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    Re: RPI 2018 Off-Season: The Hunt for Red October

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    They're within $4..,,I'm giving them the tap in. ��
    How long before is it before contributions how up? It still shows the team as $4 short. https://impact.rpi.edu/project/4733

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    Re: RPI 2018 Off-Season: The Hunt for Red October

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    I went through an analysis like you did about who has played and who has not, and then I threw it out. I think the early part of the season is not important, the important part as I see it is who has been a healthy scratch recently.
    I think the second half evaluation would be the most telling analysis. Coach seemed to play the hot hand, or who he thought could contribute. It was obvious the Ohrvalls have fallen out of favor, but I couldn't tell you the other trends...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
    They're within $4..,,I'm giving them the tap in. 😜
    Sorry I didn't write more clearly - I meant to say that I'm calling it mission accomplished on the $5k goal --being that they are within $4. I gave earlier, but will pony up the extra $4 to hit the mark officially 😜

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    Re: RPI 2018 Off-Season: The Hunt for Red October

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
    Sorry I didn't write more clearly - I meant to say that I'm calling it mission accomplished on the $5k goal --being that they are within $4. I gave earlier, but will pony up the extra $4 to hit the mark officially ��
    Maybe I didn't read clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Maybe I didn't read clearly.
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    I have sat on the sidelines and have taken all entries in. Now I wish to throw in some thoughts: It was a disappointing season. NO ONE disputes that: i think the first order of business is to determine how to go from 6 wins to say 12? Clearly, either a mix of players like these won't get you there or you need a rethinking of what system will work best with players like these. I understand these guys were mostly Seth holdovers (apologies to the players- I dont meant to disparage). And Dave Smith is going to bring in "his" players. But who, exactly, will be those players? Who is in the pool of players available to RPI? I mean, it's not like Seth ignored better players to get the players he did. The competition for the players remaining after the grade A prospects choose where they want to play (let's face it McAvoy chose BU for all intents and purposes, not the other way around) is intense. There are more D1 programs than ever and the likelihood of any one school getting a particular player is less than it ever has been. So I think the challenge, coaching-wise, is to try and create a team that blends well and can implement the coach's system. That is very difficult to do. You have to have tremendous vision to imagine how the players you are choosing will fit into the system you wish to implement. And try and choose players that you think will fit. Not try to make them fit after they get here. All the discussion about in game adjustments is interesting, but at the end of the day, if winning "hinges" on in game adjustments at the end of the year, the blend is just not there. If you are trying to figure out in the last third of the season who should play with who during the game, you are really in trouble. Although I understand matchups based on the other teams players, but that should have been figured out prior to puck drop. So I think the great minds in the game who can step back and "see" how to put the team together and get wins are very rare, indeed. Many coaches given grade A players do pretty well. Half the battle is won before anyone steps on the ice. Seth at USTDP is a case in point. So I don't envy Dave Smith (or Seth Appert) one bit. The question really is: Shirley "promised' she would invest resources into the program. If the fans and supporters have to buy the ipads, that is your answer to that. The women's team asking for yoga mats or Barry Melrose buying them 2nd jersies petty much says it all. Getting better players is all about giving them a reason to WANT to come to RPI. No more, no less. As I see it, we will likely never be a perennial powerhouse. But we can challenge the powerhouse programs fairly regularly. By investing in the team, in the facilities, and by becoming a school higher up on the consideration list than we are currently are. No matter who the coach is ( unless Mike Babcock decides to coach here and players flock to RPI to learn from him), if nothing changes, we should all just tighten our seat belts and expect more of the same.

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    Re: RPI 2018 Off-Season: The Hunt for Red October

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    It's official now !
    Dave Smith and the team thank you.

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    I have sat on the sidelines and have taken all entries in. Now I wish to throw in some thoughts: It was a disappointing season. NO ONE disputes that: i think the first order of business is to determine how to go from 6 wins to say 12? Clearly, either a mix of players like these won't get you there or you need a rethinking of what system will work best with players like these. I understand these guys were mostly Seth holdovers (apologies to the players- I dont meant to disparage). And Dave Smith is going to bring in "his" players. But who, exactly, will be those players? Who is in the pool of players available to RPI? I mean, it's not like Seth ignored better players to get the players he did. The competition for the players remaining after the grade A prospects choose where they want to play (let's face it McAvoy chose BU for all intents and purposes, not the other way around) is intense. There are more D1 programs than ever and the likelihood of any one school getting a particular player is less than it ever has been. So I think the challenge, coaching-wise, is to try and create a team that blends well and can implement the coach's system. That is very difficult to do. You have to have tremendous vision to imagine how the players you are choosing will fit into the system you wish to implement. And try and choose players that you think will fit. Not try to make them fit after they get here. All the discussion about in game adjustments is interesting, but at the end of the day, if winning "hinges" on in game adjustments at the end of the year, the blend is just not there. If you are trying to figure out in the last third of the season who should play with who during the game, you are really in trouble. Although I understand matchups based on the other teams players, but that should have been figured out prior to puck drop. So I think the great minds in the game who can step back and "see" how to put the team together and get wins are very rare, indeed. Many coaches given grade A players do pretty well. Half the battle is won before anyone steps on the ice. Seth at USTDP is a case in point. So I don't envy Dave Smith (or Seth Appert) one bit. The question really is: Shirley "promised' she would invest resources into the program. If the fans and supporters have to buy the ipads, that is your answer to that. The women's team asking for yoga mats or Barry Melrose buying them 2nd jersies petty much says it all. Getting better players is all about giving them a reason to WANT to come to RPI. No more, no less. As I see it, we will likely never be a perennial powerhouse. But we can challenge the powerhouse programs fairly regularly. By investing in the team, in the facilities, and by becoming a school higher up on the consideration list than we are currently are. No matter who the coach is ( unless Mike Babcock decides to coach here and players flock to RPI to learn from him), if nothing changes, we should all just tighten our seat belts and expect more of the same.
    A few random comments,

    The number of D-I programs has really not changed much in recent years. If Clarkson and Union can have teams in or near the NCAA tourney, why can't we? BU may have access to just about anyone whom they want, but they have been sputtering throughout the season.

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    Re: RPI 2018 Off-Season: The Hunt for Red October

    As for promising to invest resources, considering we hardly ever saw Coach Graham behind the bench (at least in the games I attended in person), I'd say resources are being invested where they really matter: forward recruiting. The coaches are being expected to bring victories, and the school is doing what they can to make sure the staff has the personnel to be able to achieve this. I'd say a promise is being fulfilled.

    I would not hold iPads against the administration, as they already require students to purchase laptops, so they probably think a tablet won't make much of a difference. With the yoga mats, aren't the training facilities still under the jurisdiction of the Student Union? A third jersey only seems like a way to get more butts in the door which is already hard to come by for the women's teams, and how much did attendance rise for when the thirds were worn?

    As much as I'm not pleased with the direction the administration is taking the 'tute, it is not just to blame them for the sake of pointing the finger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    As for promising to invest resources, considering we hardly ever saw Coach Graham behind the bench (at least in the games I attended in person), I'd say resources are being invested where they really matter: forward recruiting. The coaches are being expected to bring victories, and the school is doing what they can to make sure the staff has the personnel to be able to achieve this. I'd say a promise is being fulfilled.

    I would not hold iPads against the administration, as they already require students to purchase laptops, so they probably think a tablet won't make much of a difference. With the yoga mats, aren't the training facilities still under the jurisdiction of the Student Union? A third jersey only seems like a way to get more butts in the door which is already hard to come by for the women's teams, and how much did attendance rise for when the thirds were worn?

    As much as I'm not pleased with the direction the administration is taking the 'tute, it is not just to blame them for the sake of pointing the finger.
    Also, I think this is basically a D-III sports thing which the D-I sports were included in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    A few random comments,

    The number of D-I programs has really not changed much in recent years. If Clarkson and Union can have teams in or near the NCAA tourney, why can't we? BU may have access to just about anyone whom they want, but they have been sputtering throughout the season.
    Exactly right RB. I don't enjoy referring to it , but Union is a textbook example of this. They have a lousy building and no D1 scholarships yet are a top 4 team every year. They excel at unearthing/identifying non blue chip players (mostly) and then coach the heck out of them. Anything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Dave Smith and the team thank you.
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    Re: RPI 2018 Off-Season: The Hunt for Red October

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
    Exactly right RB. I don't enjoy referring to it , but Union is a textbook example of this. They have a lousy building and no D1 scholarships yet are a top 4 team every year. They excel at unearthing/identifying non blue chip players (mostly) and then coach the heck out of them. Anything is possible.
    To be fair, Nate Leaman is certainly making himself known to be quite the turnaround coach, as evidenced not only at Union, but also Providence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    To be fair, Nate Leaman is certainly making himself known to be quite the turnaround coach, as evidenced not only at Union, but also Providence.
    What's your point? I was giving credit to Union for getting it done despite having limited resources. Bennett is something like 127-66-27 since taking the reigns. Clearly their methods are working.

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    Re: RPI 2018 Off-Season: The Hunt for Red October

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
    What's your point? I was giving credit to Union for getting it done despite having limited resources. Bennett is something like 127-66-27 since taking the reigns. Clearly their methods are working.
    Wicked-Bennett has indeed taken over a successful program and kept it going without a hiccup. he deserves a lot of credit and i wish we had that situation here. But Leaman took over a program and just completely turned it around and up several notches. Looking back i wish we had hired him if he was available at the time Fridgen was let go. I think he also deserves tremendous credit but probably had the somewhat more diffuclt job to get it all started. In either case, they have both been instrumental in the success of that program.
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    "Stoop to my level."

    You're going to insinuate something about me, then not follow up on it? Sounds like you're not even up to my level, honestly. That's disappointing, I always had a great deal of respect for you, but this is the internet equivalent of knocking on someone's door and then running away before the open it. Not brave in the slightest.

    I back up what I say. I don't think I need to apologize for that, but perhaps you should consider what you say if you're not willing to stand by it.
    You seem to think that it is ok to call people names. I don't. It is as simple as that. I am not insinuating anything. I am merely pointing out a difference of opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDemento View Post
    Wicked-Bennett has indeed taken over a successful program and kept it going without a hiccup. he deserves a lot of credit and i wish we had that situation here. But Leaman took over a program and just completely turned it around and up several notches. Looking back i wish we had hired him if he was available at the time Fridgen was let go. I think he also deserves tremendous credit but probably had the somewhat more diffuclt job to get it all started. In either case, they have both been instrumental in the success of that program.
    There's nothing saying that Smith can't do the same thing. After all, Leaman had a dead last finish during his tenure with #26. One other thing that was a part of their transformation, though, was a change in administrative support. That's still a question mark with us. Given the amount of recruiting that has been happening, it sounds like that was one of the Smith's wishes, and the admins gave him and the staff the money to make it happen. There's also "state of the art" training facilities that were already in place. What other pieces of the puzzle are needed, and will the administration be able to help?
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