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    2018 B1G Tournament

    Well we're 3 days from the tournament with the new format. How do people like the new format? Thoughts, predictions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    Well we're 3 days from the tournament with the new format. How do people like the new format? Thoughts, predictions?
    I love the best of 3 first round. I think the 2nd round should be best of 3 if your going to use a 3 week format. You are putting your #1 seed at a disadvantage, they are not afforded a loss like the 3 first round winners got. I would prefer sending the final 4 teams to the #1 seeds place and do it in 1 weekend. This would allow you 1 more week of non league play and finish the conference season 1 week later.

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    I love the best of 3 first round. I think the 2nd round should be best of 3 if your going to use a 3 week format. You are putting your #1 seed at a disadvantage, they are not afforded a loss like the 3 first round winners got. I would prefer sending the final 4 teams to the #1 seeds place and do it in 1 weekend. This would allow you 1 more week of non league play and finish the conference season 1 week later.
    I also prefer your second option, three game series first week, with a second week final four at #1's school. One game a week for 2 weeks doesn't raise the excitement like a final four in one weekend. And for teams that happen to lose the first weekend but make the NCAA, that is a long gap in play.

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    I can't say I'm keen on the second round one & done either. Perhaps since this is the first year in the new arrangement they're open to tweaking it next year. If we get that 8th team it can all be done in two four on four brackets in two weeks instead of three.

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    I think having the top teams host should offer a superior environment to the previously poorly attended tournaments in Detroit and St. Paul.

    If OSU wins this weekend and hosts the following weekend, do you still have conflicts this time of year for your arena? Was it high school basketball tourney or something? Does having just one game vs. the potential 3 games change that?

    I prefer the idea of doing it in 2 weeks with the top 4 playing at one site. How do people feel about a consolation game for PWR points/anyone willing to travel gets a guarantee of seeing their team play 2 games?

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    If OSU wins this weekend and hosts the following weekend, do you still have conflicts this time of year for your arena? Was it high school basketball tourney or something? Does having just one game vs. the potential 3 games change that?
    Yeah, second round if we advance is downtown at the Nationwide, the Blue Jackets ice since our own university cares more about their freaking money than not kicking their own team off their own ice to host HIGH SCHOOL EVENTS!
    If fortune smiles on us and we by some chance host the championship game it would also be at Nationwide but it would be an early game due to the Jackets having an evening game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    Yeah, second round if we advance is downtown at the Nationwide, the Blue Jackets ice since our own university cares more about their freaking money than not kicking their own team off their own ice to host HIGH SCHOOL EVENTS!
    If fortune smiles on us and we by some chance host the championship game it would also be at Nationwide but it would be an early game due to the Jackets having an evening game.
    Yea that title game is going to be at 1pm. In theory i couldmake it to bowling green to see thge wcha titke game at 7 if the falcons get to host.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koho View Post
    I also prefer your second option, three game series first week, with a second week final four at #1's school. One game a week for 2 weeks doesn't raise the excitement like a final four in one weekend. And for teams that happen to lose the first weekend but make the NCAA, that is a long gap in play.
    Yea the losers thiis weekend going to have a long lay off expect for Michigan State and wisconson

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    I think the main reason for the failing of the previous format beside the travel for some fans is that the conference didn't make much of an event out of it.
    I don't know how the WCHA did it but in the CCHA they went all out to make it something special!
    They partnered with the Renaissance Center in Detroit as the host hotel and it would be decked out with banners, emblems & displays everywhere and offered significant rate discounts for fans. They would usually have a large party and band and I can recall when they had FREE food & beer!!
    The B1G did NOTHING for the fans. The awards banquet and shows were pretty neat as well in the old Fox Theater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    Perhaps since this is the first year in the new arrangement they're open to tweaking it next year.
    Agree with this. Happy to have the first round back on campus, it sure beats an empty Joe or half empty X. Not that my team will get to enjoy their home ice. But we'll see what the teams think of this three weekend deal with one game each of the final two weekends. Sure would be nice to put the semis in the #1 seed's rink as others have mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gopher wes View Post
    Agree with this. Happy to have the first round back on campus, it sure beats an empty Joe or half empty X. Not that my team will get to enjoy their home ice. But we'll see what the teams think of this three weekend deal with one game each of the final two weekends. Sure would be nice to put the semis in the #1 seed's rink as others have mentioned.
    What could be really funny is if ohio state host the final it would be in nationwide arena. Just what the conference. Wanted to avoid a empty nhl arena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klbaum1077 View Post
    What could be really funny is if ohio state host the final it would be in nationwide arena. Just what the conference. Wanted to avoid a empty nhl arena.
    I wouldn't be opposed to having it in the old 800 seat barn so the conference is embarrassed. Serve them right for letting the University get away with that crap!
    Not too hard for fans of other schools to see what our hot button is isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    I think the main reason for the failing of the previous format beside the travel for some fans is that the conference didn't make much of an event out of it.
    I don't know how the WCHA did it but in the CCHA they went all out to make it something special!
    They partnered with the Renaissance Center in Detroit as the host hotel and it would be decked out with banners, emblems & displays everywhere and offered significant rate discounts for fans. They would usually have a large party and band and I can recall when they had FREE food & beer!!
    The B1G did NOTHING for the fans. The awards banquet and shows were pretty neat as well in the old Fox Theater.
    The WCHA Final Five prior to conference realignment was the best college hockey tournament held. Itís a shame thatíll never happen again, but St. Paul was all WCHA for three full days and it was filled with college hockey fans.

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    Re: 2018 B1G Tournament

    Wisconsin has the similar scheduling conflicts.

    They host the high school wrestling and boys basketball state tournaments in the Kohl Center around this time every year.

    They had hosted the girls basketball tournament too, but that has been moved to Green Bay.

    I think that any conflicting games were scheduled to be played at the Veteran's Memorial Coliseum at the Alliant Energy Center. A nice enough facility, that is getting some upgrades. This was where the team played until the Kohl Center opened in the late 90s.

    The Kohl Center hosted HS wrestling last weekend (Feb 22-24), so we had to schedule an away series.
    The Kohl Center will be hosting HS basketball the weekend of March 15-17.

    We would have hosted the first round on campus, and the 2nd round single game on campus too. If Wisconsin had been hosting the championship game, it would have been a throwback at the off-campus rink.

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    Re: 2018 B1G Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    I think the main reason for the failing of the previous format beside the travel for some fans is that the conference didn't make much of an event out of it.
    I don't know how the WCHA did it but in the CCHA they went all out to make it something special!
    They partnered with the Renaissance Center in Detroit as the host hotel and it would be decked out with banners, emblems & displays everywhere and offered significant rate discounts for fans. They would usually have a large party and band and I can recall when they had FREE food & beer!!
    The B1G did NOTHING for the fans. The awards banquet and shows were pretty neat as well in the old Fox Theater.
    This was exactly my beef with the B1G, and I mentioned it to our AD. Sadly, the solution was to bail on the idea all together. IMHO, it would not have been *that* hard to promote both St Paul and Detroit every other year- but given they didn't even try, it was a moot point.

    As for now- I also like the best of three to start, but to extend it to two weekends of best of three before a champ- well, we just need more teams. A real weekend is at least 4 at any given place for a final 4, we honestly need 8 teams the weekend prior- as I'm not really a fan of letting anyone get out of playing at least one weekend prior to the championship. But we really need more teams before we even get best of 3 for all teams on one weekend....

    Relative to all teams making it to the championships- this is a whole lot better. Relative to making it a real B1G event, there can be a lot more work promoting B1G championships at the Pizzarena and the X- it CAN work, since it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MavHockey14 View Post
    The WCHA Final Five prior to conference realignment was the best college hockey tournament held. It’s a shame that’ll never happen again, but St. Paul was all WCHA for three full days and it was filled with college hockey fans.
    And then those years where the tournament overlapped with St. Patrick's Day - wow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    And then those years where the tournament overlapped with St. Patrick's Day - wow!
    Like this yearís calendar does with the NCHC down at the X. Fun, fun times. Not to mention the GPL/USCHO tailgate.. those were the days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MavHockey14 View Post
    The WCHA Final Five prior to conference realignment was the best college hockey tournament held.
    Well I think OURS was the best hockey tournament, LOL! But the point is we both felt we had great tournament format and fan experiences in our old conferences.
    Heck, Fred Pletsch the former CCHA Commissioner works for the B1G nowadays as the on ice & play by play guy and he could certainly tell the B1G how to do it right by the fans - if they ever care to ask him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    Well I think OURS was the best hockey tournament, LOL! But the point is we both felt we had great tournament format and fan experiences in our old conferences.
    Heck, Fred Pletsch the former CCHA Commissioner works for the B1G nowadays as the on ice & play by play guy and he could certainly tell the B1G how to do it right by the fans - if they ever care to ask him!
    We've discussed this in years past and I hate to beat it to death but I'm not sure what the B1G could have really promoted to gain more attendance. You've mentioned signs and banners around town and the arena. And I know you've also mentioned a booth set up at B1G arenas throughout the season. I'm sorry, I just don't think those things alone are going to make the average fan say "Hey, I think I'm going to the Big Ten Hockey Tournament!". Would it help a little? Maybe. But I don't think it would have been enough to keep it working in St Paul and Detroit IMO.

    The thing that worked about the CCHA and WCHA conference tournaments was the proximity of the usual players in the tournament. For the WCHA you almost always had UND or Minnesota in it, that right there would give you the majority of your attendance. If you got both of those teams in, you're set. Add in a St Cloud, UMD, or Wisconsin and that's just a bonus. I assume the same was the case for the CCHA. If you get Michigan or Michigan St in, you're off to a great start. Throw in another Michigan team and you're probably golden with Columbus and South Bend not being outrageous drives. Both conferences had their outliers with Omaha back in the day of the CCHA, the Colorado schools for the WCHA, and both had an Alaska school. But again, with the proximity you had for the usual players, you didn't really have to promote anything.
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    The other big thing, IMO, for the Final Five was the large number of UND fans that live in the Twin Cities. It's not like all those fan were making the trek from Grand Forks. Same with Wisconsin fans to a smaller extent. I can only assume that you have a decent number of Michigan and Michigan St fans in the Detroit area where you don't have a ton of fans who need to legitimately travel for the tournament.
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