POTUS 45.29: Eggs and Tweet Storms for Breakfast

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.29: Eggs and Tweet Storms for Breakfast

I doubt if you see China take any side in a US-Russia conflict. They'll happily sit back and watch until the dust settles, and then quietly move into the power vacuum.

”Siamese fighting fish; fascinating creatures. Brave but on the whole stupid. Yes they're stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here who lets the other two fight. While he waits. Waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself.”

[Kepler]

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He's just a coward that doesn't want people to call him out on what a piece of **** he is as a human being.

No call for that, Maize.

The tragedy of Joe is there are good people who let bad people operate, and even support them, for... reasons.

[Jimjamesak]

for... reasons.

“Republicans want live babies so they can grow up to be dead soldiers.”

[dxmnkd316]

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I doubt if you see China take any side in a US-Russia conflict. They'll happily sit back and watch until the dust settles, and then quietly move into the power vacuum.

Yeah, that's almost certainly how it would play out.

[rufus]

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After a genocide, joe will bravely say that he's maybe thinking about reconsidering his position, but needs to see a little more evidence.

He's just a coward that doesn't want people to call him out on what a piece of **** he is as a human being.

But the little babies!!!!! The defenseless, innocent little babies!!!!

[jerphisch]

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No call for that, Maize.

The tragedy of Joe is there are good people who let bad people operate, and even support them, for... reasons.

At some point you have to re-evaluate.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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by then, its too late.

Hey we eventually stopped WWII. I mean it only took what, 70, 80,000,000 dead but look at how well some economies grew afterwards.

[Kepler]

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Hey we eventually stopped WWII. I mean it only took what, 70, 80,000,000 dead but look at how well some economies grew afterwards.

They didn't have nukes.

[trixR4kids]

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At some point you have to re-evaluate.

Why do that when you can just double down?

I know I reevaluated my libertarian stances after the financial crisis. I also know at least one guy who just doubled down on that ideology. There are people who are willing to change their positions but they're not super common unfortunately.

[Kepler]

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I know I reevaluated my libertarian stances after the financial crisis. I also know at least one guy who just doubled down on that ideology.

Same thing happened with me when I got a family and started to view life as more than a cloud of atomized individuals, but I had a friend who just went out even farther along the limb.

Our ideas probably aren't really rational. They choose us, we don't choose them. So that's why I say you can't say a guy with evil ideas is evil. What he is is just vulnerable to evil; something went wrong with his immune system.

When I talk to Joe I don't get the evil vibe (and believe me there are people here that I do). I hear a guy trying to do right who has a few axioms which allow him to justify causing great suffering. But... I also think he would say exactly the same about me. According to Joe, I'm literally abetting mass murder.

I'm not saying don't judge: Aristotle was wrong, humans are the judging animal, and that's good -- that introduction of values is what makes us interesting in Nature. But I'm saying don't condemn. By all means, contain. Joe's ideas are not the sort of sh-t we need spreading pain in the world. But the people who carry those ideas are for the most part unwitting.

[St. Clown]

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Why do that when you can just double down?

I know I reevaluated my libertarian stances after the financial crisis. I also know at least one guy who just doubled down on that ideology. There are people who are willing to change their positions but they're not super common unfortunately.

After establishing an opinion or position, most find ways to contort themselves into maintaining their previous position rather than adjust to new facts. It's something that knows no party boundary, just human nature.

[trixR4kids]

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After establishing an opinion or position, most find ways to contort themselves into maintaining their previous position rather than adjust to new facts. It's something that knows no party boundary, just human nature.

I definitely agree with this and Kep's post as well. I get that you're not realistically going to change peoples' minds on a message board but name calling and all that garbage isn't really helping and basically just gives ammo to the BSABSVR.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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After establishing an opinion or position, most find ways to contort themselves into maintaining their previous position rather than adjust to new facts. It's something that knows no party boundary, just human nature.

Perhaps after the opinions are formed, but one side of the political spectrum is quite possibly more prone to believing crap.

Far-right voters are more likely to believe fake news, a study of the German electorate found. And conservatives are more apt to believe lies.

So while we may all be susceptible to so-called "confirmation bias" the average republican starts from a distinct disadvantage in that they believe stuff that isn't true to begin with.

[Kepler]

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After establishing an opinion or position, most find ways to contort themselves into maintaining their previous position rather than adjust to new facts. It's something that knows no party boundary, just human nature.

There are tendencies towards or away from this behavior. I don't think the tendencies are themselves partisan. However, a receptivity to the fallibility of our viewpoint and the ubiquity of bias, and the knowledge of the tools that counter-balance that, has become partisan. Forty years ago it was conservatives who had the better bullsh-t detectors. Now it's liberals. Part of this is how the magical thinking of religion and Austrian economics came to paralyze the right's brain. That happened to the left in the 50s and 60s with the spread of Marxism. Part of it is just basic human nature: the powerful get lazy, put their feet up, and set their mind in neutral.

So while doubling down is not leftist or rightist per se, it also isn't always equal: there's a long multi-generational oscillation between the poles of one side being stagnant and reactionary and the other side being questioning and revolutionary, and at the present time it is the right that is more frozen and getting worse while the left is thawing out.

In part the battle on the left is that while the kids are free of the chains of the old authoritarian hierarchical views of the 60s-90s our leadership and its flunkies are so physically old that it is a millstone of obsolete doctrinaire categories. We are a living being encased in dead skin and you people under 40 need to take out a cheese grater and start scraping and peeling.

[trixR4kids]

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I don't think the tendencies are themselves partisan.

I mean we have certain people on this site on the left doubling down on failed positions/candidates so you're probably right about that