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  • #556
    Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

    Originally posted by burd View Post
    I know about the state action requirements of con law. We all know they have the right. But don't do it in the name of patriotism. It's far from that.

    The NFL had a chance here and failed miserably.
    I have stated that, and am agreeing with you. For the people who are yelling about "free speech," that does not apply here.
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    • #557
      Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

      Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
      And the NBA hasn't enforced that rule, that I know of. How the NFL handled this is ridiculous, and how any non-mouth-breather thinks it's to disrespect the anthem is also ludicrous. The issue is that the players ARE turning viewers and fans off of the message they are trying to send. It's doing more harm than good.

      I admit, I'm in the camp of "Hey, stand for two minutes out of respect for our country and anthem, and I support you sending a message in another fashion, one that would be more productive."
      And the NBA hasn't enforced that rule, that I know of.
      Not that I watch any NBA games but I've never heard of anyone kneeling or doing anything but standing in place during the national anthem.
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      • #558
        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
        I have stated that, and am agreeing with you. For the people who are yelling about "free speech," that does not apply here.
        I’m one of those who believes that free speech is part of the discussion here, not as a first amendment right but as a value. It is a first amendment right (when there is state action) because it has great value.

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        • #559
          Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

          Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
          I have stated that, and am agreeing with you. For the people who are yelling about "free speech," that does not apply here.
          It's not a free speech issue in the legal sense. But corporations and employers definitely trample on free speech, albeit legally.

          Saying, "it's not a free speech issue", is sorta right in the sense that the first amendment simply means the government can't deny your free speech but a company you work for can. But it doesn't mean the company isn't denying you the opportunity to say something you would've otherwise.
          Last edited by trixR4kids; 05-25-2018, 09:59 AM.

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          • #560
            Originally posted by SonofSouthie View Post
            Not that I watch any NBA games but I've never heard of anyone kneeling or doing anything but standing in place during the national anthem.

            I don't follow the NBA either, but about a decade or so ago there was a Muslim player for the Nuggets who did the same thing. He was also blackballed from the league
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            • #561
              Originally posted by jericho View Post
              I don't follow the NBA either, but about a decade or so ago there was a Muslim player for the Nuggets who did the same thing. He was also blackballed from the league
              Nuggets yes?
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              • #562
                Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

                Originally posted by jericho View Post
                I don't follow the NBA either, but about a decade or so ago there was a Muslim player for the Nuggets who did the same thing. He was also blackballed from the league
                Had to Google it,

                On March 12, 1996, the NBA suspended Abdul-Rauf for one game, citing a rule that players must line up in a “dignified posture” for the anthem. It cost him almost $32,000 of his $2.6 million salary. The players union supported Abdul-Rauf, and he quickly reached a compromise with the league that allowed him to stand and pray with his head down during the anthem. But at the end of the season, the Nuggets traded Abdul-Rauf, who averaged a team-high 19.2 points and 6.8 assists, to the Sacramento Kings.
                https://theundefeated.com/features/a...tional-anthem/
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                • #563
                  Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post

                  Thanks, Handyman. I wasn't aware of the backstory on how sitting evolved into kneeling. The discussion between the Marine and Kaepernick is really outstanding. What a shame that the public conversation never approached this level.
                  Last edited by Berkshire BU Fan; 05-25-2018, 07:51 PM.

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                  • #564
                    Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

                    Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                    It's not a free speech issue in the legal sense. But corporations and employers definitely trample on free speech, albeit legally.

                    Saying, "it's not a free speech issue", is sorta right in the sense that the first amendment simply means the government can't deny your free speech but a company you work for can. But it doesn't mean the company isn't denying you the opportunity to say something you would've otherwise.
                    The company isn't denying you can say whatever, but it can take action against you.

                    Ok, this board, USCHO, has terms and conditions of being a member. If I start spouting off that "All n* (you know the rest) should die!" Well, I have free speech protection, yes? Nope. USCHO can ban me. The NFL has those same terms and conditions, as agreed upon in contract with the NFLPA.

                    NOTE: I do NOT believe that all n* should die, using it as an example in this situation.
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                    • #565
                      Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

                      Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post

                      NOTE: I do NOT believe that all n* should die, using it as an example in this situation.
                      I agree, North Country fans are annoying as hell but I don't wish ill well on them.

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                      • #566
                        Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                        I agree, North Country fans are annoying as hell but I don't wish ill well on them.
                        North Country where? Us ECAC fans think of that as Jefferson, St. Lawrence, Essex, Franklin, Clinton and Lewis counties in NY.
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                        • #567
                          Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                          The company isn't denying you can say whatever, but it can take action against you.

                          Ok, this board, USCHO, has terms and conditions of being a member. If I start spouting off that "All n* (you know the rest) should die!" Well, I have free speech protection, yes? Nope. USCHO can ban me. The NFL has those same terms and conditions, as agreed upon in contract with the NFLPA.

                          NOTE: I do NOT believe that all n* should die, using it as an example in this situation.
                          Well yeah... the person can choose to say whatever and the company can choose to take action against those who exercise their first amendment rights. Thus essentially denying free speech.

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                          • #568
                            Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

                            Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                            Well yeah... the person can choose to say whatever and the company can choose to take action against those who exercise their first amendment rights. Thus essentially denying free speech.
                            I think you're getting it. The free speech laws do not apply here, despite what some say here and elsewhere.
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                            • #569
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                              • #570
                                Re: NFL 2018.1 The off season

                                That’s exactly what this whole thing is about. Putting a bunch of uppity black people back in their place.
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