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  • Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
    What is not obective (or objective enough) about these:

    Win-lost percentage against Division III opponents (WIN)
    Division III head-to-head results (H2H)
    Results versus common Division III opponents (COP)
    Results versus ranked Division III teams as established by the rankings at the time of selection. Conference postseason contests are included (RNK)
    Division III strength of schedule (SOS)*
    Looking at this criteria for NCAA selection Salve and UNE have to be a lock no matter what happens next weekend in the CCC finals. Their numbers are just too good. If Salve or UNE are matched up against either Trinity or Geneseo for a pool C salve/UNE get in. Neither Trinity or Geneseo have beaten anyone this year. Look at their schedules.

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      Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
      What is not obective (or objective enough) about these:

      Win-lost percentage against Division III opponents (WIN)
      Division III head-to-head results (H2H)
      Results versus common Division III opponents (COP)
      Results versus ranked Division III teams as established by the rankings at the time of selection. Conference postseason contests are included (RNK)
      Division III strength of schedule (SOS)*
      There's a couple of things...

      1. "RNK" has an arbitrary "cliff" involved, and no such cliff makes any statistical sense. For example, say SNC was 23-1 this year, but was 0-1 via "RNK"... It would lose a lot -or perhaps all- of the "RNK" comparisons, even with a stellar SOS. Dumb. Every comparison needs to be made along a continuum that includes every single team and every single game. Otherwise, the process smacks of cherry-picking.

      2. And,as far as I know, there's still a set of fungible "secondary criteria", which the committee can employ with impunity, thus rendering the entire primary criteria moot... That begs the question: Why even bother with the smoke-screen in the first place?
      Last edited by Fishman'81; 02-26-2018, 10:01 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
        There's a couple of things...

        1. "RNK" has an arbitrary "cliff" involved, and no such cliff makes any statistical sense. For example, say SNC was 23-1 this year, but was 0-1 via "RNK"... It would lose a lot -or perhaps all- of the "RNK" comparisons, even with a stellar SOS. Dumb. Every comparison needs to be made along a continuum that includes every single team and every single game. Otherwise, the process smacks of cherry-picking.

        2. And,as far as I know, there's still a set of fungible "secondary criteria", which the committee can employ with impunity, thus rendering the entire primary criteria moot... That begs the question: Why even bother with the smoke-screen in the first place?
        Wrong.. keep trying
        Remy Babineaux
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        D3FHL Web Page

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        • Re: Regional Rankings

          Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post

          1. "RNK" has an arbitrary "cliff" involved, and no such cliff makes any statistical sense. For example, say SNC was 23-1 this year, but was 0-1 via "RNK"... It would lose a lot -or perhaps all- of the "RNK" comparisons, even with a stellar SOS. Dumb. Every comparison needs to be made along a continuum that includes every single team and every single game. Otherwise, the process smacks of cherry-picking.
          How would you have 23 wins and a "stellar" SOS and only play one ranked opponent?
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          • Re: Regional Rankings

            Tick tick tick !
            It all starts with the goaltending.

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            • Re: Regional Rankings

              Amateur question, but when do the next NCAA Rankings come out?
              #OneKnight

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                Originally posted by KnightsOfTheRound View Post
                Amateur question, but when do the next NCAA Rankings come out?
                This afternoon.
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                • Re: Regional Rankings

                  Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
                  This afternoon.
                  Just looking at the numbers from the criteria above. Let's see what the committee comes up with later today!!

                  1- UNE
                  2- SALVE
                  3- HOBART
                  4- TRINITY
                  5- GENESEO
                  6- OSWEGO
                  7- UTICA
                  8- PLYMOUTH STATE
                  9- NORWICH
                  10- NICHOLS

                  Utica/Oswego could flip as could Salve/Hobart but numbers don't lie1

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                  • Re: Regional Rankings

                    West Rankings:

                    1. Adrian
                    2. SNC
                    3. UWSP
                    4. Augsburg
                    5. Doesn't Matter
                    5x NCAA D3 Ice Hockey Champion: 2008, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2018
                    2x Super Bowl Champion: XLII, XLVI

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                      Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
                      How would you have 23 wins and a "stellar" SOS and only play one ranked opponent?
                      Should have said "solid".

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                        Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
                        Should have said "solid".
                        As someone who relies on quantifiable requirements in his job, "steller" and "solid" are not quantifiable requirements.
                        Russell Jaslow
                        [Former] SUNYAC Correspondent
                        U.S. College Hockey Online

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                        • Re: Regional Rankings

                          Must be the smoke won't clear out of the room !
                          It all starts with the goaltending.

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                            Originally posted by Tom Coughlin View Post
                            West Rankings:

                            1. Adrian
                            2. SNC
                            3. UWSP
                            4. Augsburg
                            5. Doesn't Matter
                            I was pretty close. Real rankings:

                            West Region
                            1 Adrian 24-4-0
                            2 St. Norbert 23-4-1
                            3 Wis.-Stevens Point 20-4-3
                            4 Marian (WI) 20-7-1
                            5 Augsburg 17-9-0
                            5x NCAA D3 Ice Hockey Champion: 2008, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2018
                            2x Super Bowl Champion: XLII, XLVI

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                            • Re: Regional Rankings

                              For those wanting to know the East Regions rankings

                              Rankings just came out.

                              East Region
                              1. Salve Regina
                              2. UNE
                              3. Hobart
                              4. Oswego
                              5. Trinity
                              6. Geneseo
                              7. Utica
                              8. Plymouth
                              9. Buffalo
                              10. Norwich

                              Movement did indeed happen.
                              Last edited by 17'sfanNU; 02-27-2018, 02:31 PM. Reason: NCAA corrected rankings and records.
                              There is no right way to do the wrong thing. Go Cadets

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                              • Re: Regional Rankings

                                Not much.
                                It all starts with the goaltending.

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