Regional Rankings

[UCBadger]

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Police came soon after my earlier post. After being searched we were led to the student center (rest rooms!) where we staying (and eating!) till we the campus is finished being cleared and we are released.

[spwood]

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Police came soon after my earlier post. After being searched we were led to the student center (rest rooms!) where we staying (and eating!) till we the campus is finished being cleared and we are released.

Stay safe.... suddenly hockey doesn't really matter...

[altazo]

they thought this last season and look how the games played out....

Last season was also a 7-5 split?

[Fishman'81]

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I wonder if Fish still thinks the AQ is worthless 🙃

Not "worthless"... Unjust.

[Fishman'81]

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Police came soon after my earlier post. After being searched we were led to the student center (rest rooms!) where we staying (and eating!) till we the campus is finished being cleared and we are released.

Scary sh*t. So glad that you all are OK. Had three girls there today and was sweating bullets.

[NUProf]

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Fitchburg- Nichols: 45 miles
Colby- UNE: 97 miles
Hobart- Geneseo: 49 miles
Augsburg- Marian: 300 miles

I was thinking of the New York - New England distances - for potential match ups, not the ones that were actually used. I seem to recall (but I'm old) that were some cases where a team from New England couldn't go to Western NY because of the 500 mile rule.

[Fishman'81]

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I was thinking of the New York - New England distances - for potential match ups, not the ones that were actually used. I seem to recall (but I'm old) that were some cases where a team from New England couldn't go to Western NY because of the 500 mile rule.

Don't you hate that rule, especially when it *sometimes* appears to have some bearing on the selection process?

[GB Puck Fan]

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Don't you hate that rule, especially when it *sometimes* appears to have some bearing on the selection process?

bearing on the pairing? Definitely happens

bearing on the selection? Don't think that's what was said, and don't think there's any evidence....

[Fishman'81]

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bearing on the pairing? Definitely happens

bearing on the selection? Don't think that's what was said, and don't think there's any evidence....

I'm honestly not alleging that, but I'm guessing that geographical considerations didn't hurt re: Point getting the Pool B. Looked like a dead-heat between UWSP and Utica on paper, even employing only D-3's rather threadbare and obfuscated analysis.

[gknight]

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I covered this below. It didn't look as far fetched as I thought. They protected the #1 seed (Salve Regina) by giving them a bye and a guarantee of one of the lowest seeds left after the first round. It appears they may have switched Colby and Nichols for geography reasons, but that didn't greatly upset bracket integrity. We can argue about the teams they picked (or didn't pick), but the way they matched up the teams that are playing is easily defensible.

Protecting the #1 seed??? That makes no sense. Protect them by giving them a bye and have them play the winner of the 4 vs 5 game in the East maybe, that makes sense. Last year Norwich was a #1 seed with 1 loss all year and they didn't even get a bye, and then they played the winner of the 4 vs 5 game, like in every other bracket known to man. Salve deserves to be set up to play the lowest seed left after the 1st round (1 vs 4) and avoid the other two highest seeds (2 vs 3), but the way this bracket was set up there is no way the top 4 seeds in the east can be the last 4 teams alive in the east. The teams are all within 500 miles so there are no restrictions to blame either, unbelievable.

[NUProf]

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That's why D3 needs to go to the KRACH, or RPI system. I've heard from some on here thats the only way to go.

There is one person who is saying that, and he doesn't understand the fact that all that is being done is applying the very same process as is applied in every DIII sport. Hockey does not get to use its own metrics. Like it or not, unless the DIII assembly passes regulations to introduce different metrics in all sports, which is not going to happen, these metrics are not going to change. As an aside - KRACH is just as flawed as any other metric in which there are so few games and so many teams. The connectivity of the competition graph is not strong enough to support the use of any which purports to be able to compare any two teams in the country. It is a difficult situation to make comparisons in any case. Since some conferences are pretty insular, be it KRACH or RPI (and in reality to get to RPI, all you would have to do is add a component in the NCAA SOS metric to get a version of RPI.

[Fishman'81]

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There is one person who is saying that, and he doesn't understand the fact that all that is being done is applying the very same process as is applied in every DIII sport. Hockey does not get to use its own metrics. Like it or not, unless the DIII assembly passes regulations to introduce different metrics in all sports, which is not going to happen, these metrics are not going to change. As an aside - KRACH is just as flawed as any other metric in which there are so few games and so many teams. The connectivity of the competition graph is not strong enough to support the use of any which purports to be able to compare any two teams in the country. It is a difficult situation to make comparisons in any case. Since some conferences are pretty insular, be it KRACH or RPI (and in reality to get to RPI, all you would have to do is add a component in the NCAA SOS metric to get a version of RPI.

Yes, there isn't a lot of comparative data, which is why it makes complete sense to employ every single shred of data that exists.

Explain why that's a bad idea, or why the NCAA would object to D-3 hockey doing whatever it takes to change the process for the better... As if the NCAA, as an institution, gives two sh*ts about D-3 hockey in the first place... You compare dollars to doughnuts, as if there's a real distinction to be made there.

(And, FWIW, only "one person" commented on the Emperor being naked as well, but he/she had eyes.)

[ColdInRomney]

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"The blame for this lies squarely at the feet of the East Regional Advisory Committee for concluding in its final rankings that Utica's SOS not only wasn't a hindrance compared to Oswego and Trinity but also that it wouldn't prove a hindrance on the national call when it came to at-large bid selections. The decision to treat SOS differently than decades of precedent suggests it gets treated proved a grave mistake that cost either Oswego or Trinity dearly.

If that doesn't make sense, how about wording it this way: the decision to move Utica above both Oswego and Trinity (a spot it had not been in the prior three weeks) kept both the Lakers and Bantams from even getting a chance to get into a comparison with Marian -- and it's a comparison both would have won.

Fans of Oswego and Trinity have every right to be upset, and even though one would have been left out anyway as there was only one Pool C spot remaining, the fact both were put in positions that kept them out of the discussion entirely is inexcusable if not a fine display of gross incompetence and deriliction of duty.

Often fans are upset and frustrated with tournament selections for reasons that have nothing or little to do with the process, but in this case the outrage is justified as this has everything to do with the process and never should have had happened. But it did, and it did for one reason and one reason alone: the decisions of the East Regional Advisory Committee relative to the final East Region rankings." -D3 Bracketology

http://www.d3hockey.com/ncaa-tournam...ions-explained

[GB Puck Fan]

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Matt's walkthrough makes sense... the east shot itself in the foot...

[OZFEST]

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"The blame for this lies squarely at the feet of the East Regional Advisory Committee for concluding in its final rankings that Utica's SOS not only wasn't a hindrance compared to Oswego and Trinity but also that it wouldn't prove a hindrance on the national call when it came to at-large bid selections. The decision to treat SOS differently than decades of precedent suggests it gets treated proved a grave mistake that cost either Oswego or Trinity dearly.

If that doesn't make sense, how about wording it this way: the decision to move Utica above both Oswego and Trinity (a spot it had not been in the prior three weeks) kept both the Lakers and Bantams from even getting a chance to get into a comparison with Marian -- and it's a comparison both would have won.

Fans of Oswego and Trinity have every right to be upset, and even though one would have been left out anyway as there was only one Pool C spot remaining, the fact both were put in positions that kept them out of the discussion entirely is inexcusable if not a fine display of gross incompetence and deriliction of duty.

Often fans are upset and frustrated with tournament selections for reasons that have nothing or little to do with the process, but in this case the outrage is justified as this has everything to do with the process and never should have had happened. But it did, and it did for one reason and one reason alone: the decisions of the East Regional Advisory Committee relative to the final East Region rankings." -D3 Bracketology

http://www.d3hockey.com/ncaa-tournam...ions-explained

So now we can begin saying its "Utica's Fault.." (the RIT's fault is getting tired anyway)