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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    ummmm.....never mind.....not worth it.......
    Blind faith in the clearly flawed process isn't worth it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Along the lines of a bowel-movement.

    This ranking is fairly ridiculous. Where's Endicott? And Hobart is ranked far too high. Oswego, a bit too high as well.

    (Yes, I realize that "revised" rankings can easily be pulled out of their azzes next week. They can always massage the numbers at their pleasure.)
    Utica is ranked too high. 😉

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    Blind faith in the clearly flawed process isn't worth it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by smbenny View Post
    Utica is ranked too high. ��
    Where should Utica be, in your opinion?

    I think #7 E is accurate, but Endicott, Hobart and Oswego are not where they ought to be, in mine.

    Do tell, I'm curious... And I invite Birdwatcher, NUP, and everyone else to do the same.

    It's easy to hide behind the status quo, but somewhat more difficult to defend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Where should Utica be, in your opinion?

    I think #7 E is accurate, but Endicott, Hobart and Oswego are not where they ought to be, in mine.

    Do tell, I'm curious... And I invite Birdwatcher, NUP, and everyone else to do the same.

    It's easy to hide behind the status quo, but somewhat more difficult to defend it.
    One thing to remember...it is the NCAA's party....they invite the "Guests" Below is the link to the rankings. If you go to that page and at the bottom....click on the links to the static pages...it is quite clear how they decide who to invite and in what order.....it is simple....if you don't want to go to their party (if you are invited) don't go...for many years the NESCAC didn't ! https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/icehockey-men/d3 I will be honest, I rejected the reasoning for many years because i didn't see it their way...but after you understand how they set up their party...it is fair and the numbers do not lie !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Where should Utica be, in your opinion?

    I think #7 E is accurate, but Endicott, Hobart and Oswego are not where they ought to be, in mine.

    Do tell, I'm curious... And I invite Birdwatcher, NUP, and everyone else to do the same.

    It's easy to hide behind the status quo, but somewhat more difficult to defend it.
    Unfortunately, there arenít nearly enough intraregion games, or even intraconference games (especially in the east) to make a purely objective rating system, such as RPI or KRACH, valuable or remotely accurate. How many E v. W games were there this year? 5 maybe? A handful of games canít decide who is better between a Norwich and a Marian.

    D3 is a massive entity in all sports, spanning the country from coast to coast. This isnít the only sport where teams that have never seen each other, and have no common opponents, are compared. With a much more limited schedule and budget than D1, the NCAA decided that criteria with some room for subjectivity would be best, and I donít disagree. So, accept what it is, and trust in the league/school reps to make good decisions, or keep beating your head against the wall. Only one of those choices will kill you

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    Looking at Utica(and I know all of D3's logistics) I see, UC beat #1 Salvina, tied #4 Oz, in Oswego and Oz pulled their goalie in the last minute to get the fortunate tie, and lost to #1 Adrean away by one goal.

    They are 20-5 in a weaker league(SOS hurts) not their fault Hobart left the league. No AQ (again) ECAC West I believe was supposed to get one this yr but the name changed and they added new teams.

    They can play with "anybody" in D3 (except the two hiccups against Elmira)

    Looks like even with a win Saturday beating Elmira they aren't going to make it.

    League Champions and maybe Tourney Champs(IF they win)

    They get royally screwed, of course it's all mute if the lose Saturday, I would assume.

    I follow D1 but D3 has to change their rules. Just my .02 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cetihcra View Post
    Unfortunately, there arenít nearly enough intraregion games, or even intraconference games (especially in the east) to make a purely objective rating system, such as RPI or KRACH, valuable or remotely accurate. How many E v. W games were there this year? 5 maybe? A handful of games canít decide who is better between a Norwich and a Marian.

    D3 is a massive entity in all sports, spanning the country from coast to coast. This isnít the only sport where teams that have never seen each other, and have no common opponents, are compared. With a much more limited schedule and budget than D1, the NCAA decided that criteria with some room for subjectivity would be best, and I donít disagree. So, accept what it is, and trust in the league/school reps to make good decisions, or keep beating your head against the wall. Only one of those choices will kill you

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    Actually there were at least 14 East vs. West games this season that I count. Adrain, St. Thomas, St. Norbert's, Lake forest, Northland, and Lawrence all played eastern teams. The East holding a slight edge in the results 7-6-1. Biggest games to note for the EAST were Salve beating Adrian 6-2, Nichols beating St. Thomas 3-1, Manhattanville 2-2 tie and 2-1 OT loss to St. Norbert's. Adrians wins over Trinity and Utica were the West's big wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nefan View Post
    Actually there were at least 14 East vs. West games this season that I count. Adrain, St. Thomas, St. Norbert's, Lake forest, Northland, and Lawrence all played eastern teams. The East holding a slight edge in the results 7-6-1. Biggest games to note for the EAST were Salve beating Adrian 6-2, Nichols beating St. Thomas 3-1, Manhattanville 2-2 tie and 2-1 OT loss to St. Norbert's. Adrians wins over Trinity and Utica were the West's big wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nefan View Post
    Actually there were at least 14 East vs. West games this season that I count. Adrain, St. Thomas, St. Norbert's, Lake forest, Northland, and Lawrence all played eastern teams. The East holding a slight edge in the results 7-6-1. Biggest games to note for the EAST were Salve beating Adrian 6-2, Nichols beating St. Thomas 3-1, Manhattanville 2-2 tie and 2-1 OT loss to St. Norbert's. Adrians wins over Trinity and Utica were the West's big wins.
    14 games out of how many....?? ...81 teams....25 games each... Sorry...not enough data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshablak View Post
    Looking at Utica(and I know all of D3's logistics) I see, UC beat #1 Salvina, tied #4 Oz, in Oswego and Oz pulled their goalie in the last minute to get the fortunate tie, and lost to #1 Adrean away by one goal.

    They are 20-5 in a weaker league(SOS hurts) not their fault Hobart left the league. No AQ (again) ECAC West I believe was supposed to get one this yr but the name changed and they added new teams.

    They can play with "anybody" in D3 (except the two hiccups against Elmira)

    Looks like even with a win Saturday beating Elmira they aren't going to make it.

    League Champions and maybe Tourney Champs(IF they win)

    They get royally screwed, of course it's all mute if the lose Saturday, I would assume.

    I follow D1 but D3 has to change their rules. Just my .02 cents.

    How do they get screwed. Who would they replace? Back up your statement or are you just going to be an offspring of Fish and spout off with no backing?

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    Has the "wrong" team ever won a title? Does anyone believe that an excluded team would have been the Last Team Standing?

    If so, which one and what year??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshablak View Post
    Looking at Utica(and I know all of D3's logistics) I see, UC beat #1 Salvina, tied #4 Oz, in Oswego and Oz pulled their goalie in the last minute to get the fortunate tie, and lost to #1 Adrean away by one goal.

    They are 20-5 in a weaker league(SOS hurts) not their fault Hobart left the league. No AQ (again) ECAC West I believe was supposed to get one this yr but the name changed and they added new teams.

    They can play with "anybody" in D3 (except the two hiccups against Elmira)

    Looks like even with a win Saturday beating Elmira they aren't going to make it.

    League Champions and maybe Tourney Champs(IF they win)

    They get royally screwed, of course it's all mute if the lose Saturday, I would assume.

    I follow D1 but D3 has to change their rules. Just my .02 cents.
    Check your facts, that game was in Utica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Has the "wrong" team ever won a title? Does anyone believe that an excluded team would have been the Last Team Standing?

    If so, which one and what year??
    SNC totally would have won the title in 2015...

    ...if their NCAA player of the year goalie didn't break his leg and the team didn't tank down the stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nefan View Post
    Actually there were at least 14 East vs. West games this season that I count. Adrain, St. Thomas, St. Norbert's, Lake forest, Northland, and Lawrence all played eastern teams. The East holding a slight edge in the results 7-6-1. Biggest games to note for the EAST were Salve beating Adrian 6-2, Nichols beating St. Thomas 3-1, Manhattanville 2-2 tie and 2-1 OT loss to St. Norbert's. Adrians wins over Trinity and Utica were the West's big wins.
    14 is a good number, more than a lot of years. Out of 1800 or so D3 games, not statistically relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Has the "wrong" team ever won a title? Does anyone believe that an excluded team would have been the Last Team Standing?

    If so, which one and what year??
    Well, if we are going to speculate, there WAS that one year and Adrian.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Has the "wrong" team ever won a title? Does anyone believe that an excluded team would have been the Last Team Standing?

    If so, which one and what year??
    Can't recall the season, but the year Trinity went from #1 in the east to out of the tournament without playing a game comes to mind. Seemed they would have had a legitimate shot at the title that year. Bottom line is always win your games and you'll get in. Lose, and you put yourself at the mercy of a shaky process...
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