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    Quote Originally Posted by Snively65 View Post
    If the FO was at center ice, sounds like the zebras got it right. Check Rule 613, Face-off Procedures - USA Hockey Ruke Book. Apparently this rule was modified to begin the 2016-2017 season? Sorry, I do not know how to insert link from my iPhone.
    Nope wasn't at Center ice and when the penalty was announced it was called a "delay of game"...Vela didn't enter the face off when he should've?!?

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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

    Quote Originally Posted by Felger View Post
    I believe the most consecutive games without a win is 15 (during Charlie Holt's last season) - please correct me if I am wrong

    If they don't find a way to win tonight, at home, against a team that has lost five in a row, they could enter Dick Umile Weekend with a chance to equal that mark...
    To be fair, the winless streak during the '85 season was also a losing streak. There no ties in there. And when the streak was finally broken UNH promptly lost six more in a row.

    As everyone here knows there have been a bunch of ties in the latest winless streak. Bad for the March/Quest, but good for avoiding their third consecutive 20 loss season.
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    BS35+5's plans for a landmarkmine celebration ... it all seems to have gone a bit awry, eh??
    What is Coach's position on the NCAA men's hockey career ties list?
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

    So now that's what 12 games that could have gone either way?!? I know woulda coulda shoulda!

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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

    Glass half-full ... one game unbeaten streak!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRef View Post
    So now that's what 12 games that could have gone either way?!? I know woulda coulda shoulda!
    Maybe. We've been touting one-goal losses and ties as hope for four years now. I think when the sample size gets this large you have to wonder if the team just isn't good enough to win close games. Here are totals for one-goal losses and ties the past four years...

    2015 - 9
    2016 - 16
    2017 - 9
    2018 - 12

    Do those numbers indicate a team that's unlucky? Or a team that loses a lot?

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    For years now UNH has been losing to (and occasionally tying) two types of teams. Teams that are better than them and teams that are their equal who play the type of hockey that matches up well with UNHs uptempo game (a game they still play despite personnel that doesn't always match up). Tonight they play a team in UMass who plays that same style - and not as well (at least for now - they're building and we are fading). So UNH wins and snaps the streak...
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

    Quote Originally Posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Or they need to schedule down even more, so the ties end up wins. Swap out the Carroll School for the blind in place of Brown, and that's a likely W.
    How the mighty have fallen. I barely follow the program anymore, and have been to one game in the past 8 years. In that game, a BU team with an NHL ready Charlie Macovy handled UNH quite easily. I guess my generation that went to school in the late 90s and 2000s was lucky to have a program that could pull of victories against good teams. Now playing a team like BC is a L pretty consistently.

    Do any of the folks the follow this program consistently think that Umile's departure will help the direction in the next 5-10 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unh_hockey View Post
    How the mighty have fallen. I barely follow the program anymore, and have been to one game in the past 8 years. In that game, a BU team with an NHL ready Charlie Macovy handled UNH quite easily. I guess my generation that went to school in the late 90s and 2000s was lucky to have a program that could pull of victories against good teams. Now playing a team like BC is a L pretty consistently.

    Do any of the folks the follow this program consistently think that Umile's departure will help the direction in the next 5-10 years?
    If you read through the threads you will find the answer to that question...but the short answer? Doubtful unless the recruiting picks up in a hurry. But I'm sure the veteran fans on this board have a better response!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerman View Post
    Glass half-full ... one game unbeaten streak!!!
    Attaboy Aerman!!! Love that positive attitude! See you tonight!! We can relish the W..

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRef View Post
    Attaboy Aerman!!! Love that positive attitude! See you tonight!! We can relish the W..
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRef View Post
    Nope wasn't at Center ice and when the penalty was announced it was called a "delay of game"...Vela didn't enter the face off when he should've?!?
    I thought that an NE player held up his hand to the refs as a sign of a cover up, but honestly could not see it. Did not need those 2 penalties late in the game. If we had any momentum it was in the third.
    Surprised there was no comment on the lines rolled out last night. Can't say it had an a huge impact on the offense and don't think it greatly affected us defensively as they are so much more skilled than we are. Their passing, ability to break it out, cycle in our end.... But fortunately they were not able to finish last night!
    My take on 1 goal games is in fact more positive. It indicates that you are in it and have a chance and is not a reflection of only how bad we are. To me it goes to those coach able moments and in game adjustments that we do not appear to be able to make. Role players are role player until you give them a different role. Ie, CK being encouraged to shoot. An effective roll player is much more effective than a roll player who don't know what and when and how.
    No Pollyanna here, but we got what we got, so can we make it better?
    Best observation of the week was I believe Dan, who noted that DU plays to win that night. Lots of material spins off of that comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darius View Post
    What is Coach's position on the NCAA men's hockey career ties list?
    Darius, I think that you nailed it. DU and BS35+5 have been hoodwinking us all along, as the real Quest may be indeed for the most ties. My non-fact-checked research on the internets (sic) indicates that DU and Jerwy are tied at 111 ties, just four short of none other than one Jackie Parker. As Chuck says, you cannot make up this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felger View Post
    I believe the most consecutive games without a win is 15 (during Charlie Holt's last season) - please correct me if I am wrong

    If they don't find a way to win tonight, at home, against a team that has lost five in a row, they could enter Dick Umile Weekend with a chance to equal that mark...
    Like I’ve been saying, just like 1986.

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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

    Quote Originally Posted by After the Whistle View Post
    I thought that an NE player held up his hand to the refs as a sign of a cover up, but honestly could not see it. Did not need those 2 penalties late in the game. If we had any momentum it was in the third.
    Surprised there was no comment on the lines rolled out last night. Can't say it had an a huge impact on the offense and don't think it greatly affected us defensively as they are so much more skilled than we are. Their passing, ability to break it out, cycle in our end.... But fortunately they were not able to finish last night!
    My take on 1 goal games is in fact more positive. It indicates that you are in it and have a chance and is not a reflection of only how bad we are. To me it goes to those coach able moments and in game adjustments that we do not appear to be able to make. Role players are role player until you give them a different role. Ie, CK being encouraged to shoot. An effective roll player is much more effective than a roll player who don't know what and when and how.
    No Pollyanna here, but we got what we got, so can we make it better?
    Best observation of the week was I believe Dan, who noted that DU plays to win that night. Lots of material spins off of that comment.
    Back to the point of the penalty. For those watching the stream there was an angle that clearly shows Vela reach down and scoop the puck back with his hand. That was the penalty called. The NE announcers were talking about the fact thata lot of the UNH guys were "cheating" the faceoff by not getting their stick on the ice first before the drop like they are supposed to as the road team. That is not worthy of a penalty but if caught will get that player thrown out of the faceoff. Not sure how those who were at the game live saw it but the video was pretty clear that he committed the faceoff violation penalty.

    Anyway, take the tie but Northeastern pulled a Maine and could not hit a school bus with their shots last night. Tirone was the shining light on that game, he is lucky he did not get burned by the lack of coverage leading to those wide open chances. That was a 1-1 tie that played like a 3 or 4 to 1 loss. Hopefully they can take that result and pull together a W for ol' 599 tonight. Otherwise 599 might be a stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltabravo62 View Post
    Back to the point of the penalty. For those watching the stream there was an angle that clearly shows Vela reach down and scoop the puck back with his hand. That was the penalty called. The NE announcers were talking about the fact thata lot of the UNH guys were "cheating" the faceoff by not getting their stick on the ice first before the drop like they are supposed to as the road team. That is not worthy of a penalty but if caught will get that player thrown out of the faceoff. Not sure how those who were at the game live saw it but the video was pretty clear that he committed the faceoff violation penalty.

    Anyway, take the tie but Northeastern pulled a Maine and could not hit a school bus with their shots last night. Tirone was the shining light on that game, he is lucky he did not get burned by the lack of coverage leading to those wide open chances. That was a 1-1 tie that played like a 3 or 4 to 1 loss. Hopefully they can take that result and pull together a W for ol' 599 tonight. Otherwise 599 might be a stretch.
    Right or wrong (and sure, it was the 'correct' call) it's still a terrible rule - so players can hand pass all over the ice and it's just a face-off. But if you hand-pass a face-off it's a penalty? Especially in a big moment. It wreaks of someone seeing an occasional hand-won face-off and deciding to punish it with an overly harsh sentence. How often does this even occur that their needs to be a rule!? We've already discussed how irrelevant face-off wins really are. Just re-drop the puck and kick Vela out. There is no need to give the refs more meaningless opportunities to impact close games. Let the boys play...
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltabravo62 View Post
    Back to the point of the penalty. For those watching the stream there was an angle that clearly shows Vela reach down and scoop the puck back with his hand. That was the penalty called. The NE announcers were talking about the fact thata lot of the UNH guys were "cheating" the faceoff by not getting their stick on the ice first before the drop like they are supposed to as the road team. That is not worthy of a penalty but if caught will get that player thrown out of the faceoff. Not sure how those who were at the game live saw it but the video was pretty clear that he committed the faceoff violation penalty.

    Anyway, take the tie but Northeastern pulled a Maine and could not hit a school bus with their shots last night. Tirone was the shining light on that game, he is lucky he did not get burned by the lack of coverage leading to those wide open chances. That was a 1-1 tie that played like a 3 or 4 to 1 loss. Hopefully they can take that result and pull together a W for ol' 599 tonight. Otherwise 599 might be a stretch.
    Rule 613 reads that the attacking team must put stick to ice first in face-offs, except at center ice, where it is the visiting team. The rule goes on to cover illegal hand passes, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snively65 View Post
    Rule 613 reads that the attacking team must put stick to ice first in face-offs, except at center ice, where it is the visiting team. The rule goes on to cover illegal hand passes, etc.
    Thanks for the rules info snives. A nuance of the faceoff I was not aware of. This is consistent with what the NU broadcaster said and I was taken aback on it. I wonder if Vela was/is aware of this rule as well. In any event a bad penalty at that moment and kudos ti UNH on the kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    Thanks for the rules info snives. A nuance of the faceoff I was not aware of. This is consistent with what the NU broadcaster said and I was taken aback on it. I wonder if Vela was/is aware of this rule as well. In any event a bad penalty at that moment and kudos ti UNH on the kill.
    Gonna be there tonight e.cat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRef View Post
    Gonna be there tonight e.cat?
    Cant make it tonight unfortunately. Will be there bith nights for UVM though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by After the Whistle View Post
    I thought that an NE player held up his hand to the refs as a sign of a cover up, but honestly could not see it. Did not need those 2 penalties late in the game. If we had any momentum it was in the third.
    Surprised there was no comment on the lines rolled out last night. Can't say it had an a huge impact on the offense and don't think it greatly affected us defensively as they are so much more skilled than we are. Their passing, ability to break it out, cycle in our end.... But fortunately they were not able to finish last night!
    My take on 1 goal games is in fact more positive. It indicates that you are in it and have a chance and is not a reflection of only how bad we are. To me it goes to those coach able moments and in game adjustments that we do not appear to be able to make. Role players are role player until you give them a different role. Ie, CK being encouraged to shoot. An effective roll player is much more effective than a roll player who don't know what and when and how.
    No Pollyanna here, but we got what we got, so can we make it better?
    Best observation of the week was I believe Dan, who noted that DU plays to win that night. Lots of material spins off of that comment.
    Like most things, I think context counts for a lot. Last night's tie looks pretty good considering the participants. The Brown tie looks horrific. Similarly, the second Yukon loss is of the "we were in the game and had a chance" variety while the loss at home was just pathetic. In the end, it's hard to disagree with the Big Tuna.

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