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  • #16
    Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

    Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Nerds don’t refer to them as SA, #1

    Did I give myself away?

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    • #17
      Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

      Prepping for conventional warfare with the Norks.

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      • #18
        Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

        Arming and training rebels worked so well in Afghanistan and Iraq - let's try it again!

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        • #19
          Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

          Somebody new with an IRBM

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          • #20
            Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

            Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
            Arming and training rebels worked so well in Afghanistan and Iraq - let's try it again!
            We never learn. Never.
            **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              We never learn. Never.
              Isolationism is not the answer, but something close to it may be better than being a cop.
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              • #22
                Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Isolationism is not the answer, but something close to it may be better than being a cop.
                Those are not the only two options.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Those are not the only two options.
                  Nope, but something in between is. The trouble is people love the ledge.
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                  • #24
                    Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                    Calculate the effect of a nuclear weapon in your neighborhood.

                    http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
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                    • #25
                      Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                      Originally posted by joecct View Post
                      Calculate the effect of a nuclear weapon in your neighborhood.

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                      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                      • #26
                        Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        Calculate the effect of a nuclear weapon in your neighborhood.

                        http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                          Arming and training rebels worked so well in Afghanistan and Iraq - let's try it again!


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                          • #28
                            Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                            I say this very, very grudgingly, only with the benefit of hindsight, it does appear that someone in the Administration is playing a long game in the Middle East, which is refreshing in itself, and even more there are preliminary signs it is starting to work. Whomever is behind it, it is clearly a multi-step sequential plan.

                            In the background, US has through back channels facilitated and coordinated strategy between the new king and crown prince in Saudi, King in Jordan, and Netanyahu, the Arab countries can't afford to care about Gaza/West Bank any longer because all their energy has to be channeled into fighting Iran - that's a matter of survival for them.
                            So, Gaza/West Bank is on its own now; no one cares about them any more.
                            US recognizes Jerusalem as capital of Israel (headlines) while simultaneously insisting that negotiations over the status of East Jerusalem are still underway, that detail hasn't been decided yet (fine print if at all).
                            Muted protest, big yawn on the Arab street.
                            Abbas throws a fit, Trump chastises him and cuts the US contribution to the UN Agency that provides relief to Gaza/West Bank and warns Abbas to be more thoughtful.
                            Pence visits the Middle East, Abbas snubs him and throws another fit, US cuts off all aid to Gaza/West Bank entirely until he apologizes and recognizes Israel's right to exist.

                            "The biggest road block to Middle East peace was the status of Jerusalem. Well, that's been decided. Now there shouldn't be anything standing in the way of peace."
                            Again, very grudgingly, I notice another step to follow: other Arab countries no longer condemn Israel, yet they don't openly acknowledge it either, a silent peaceful coexistence strategy. No one wants to be first to be the next Arab country to formally recognize Israel, at least for now. So why not force the "Palestinians" to be the first ones who have to formally acknowledge Israel's right to exist? It will take a bit more time to play out and lots of bad things in Syria or with Iraq's Kurds could still disrupt everything here entirely...I never expected it to work out like it has so quickly though. They played Abbas perfectly, now he is globally isolated for such deranged televised ranting, and his foreign aid is drying up too. He is endplayed now.
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                            • #29
                              Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                              Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                              I say this very, very grudgingly, only with the benefit of hindsight, it does appear that someone in the Administration is playing a long game in the Middle East, which is refreshing in itself, and even more there are preliminary signs it is starting to work. Whomever is behind it, it is clearly a multi-step sequential plan.
                              You grudgingly give your administration credit? How noble of you.

                              This administration isn't planning anything -- they are numbskulls. Insofar as there's any philosophy at all it's that same old warmed-over John Bolton "Pax Americana" delusion that gave us the Iraq occupation.

                              It's just children ramming their elbows on the keys, like every Republican since the Bulgarian Pederast.
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                              • #30
                                Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                                The only thing this admin is planning is pro-Israel dick-waving.

                                Saudi Arabia's brands of monarchical theocracy and Islam are more extreme than Iran's, and their human rights record is worse. The Saudis should not be our allies, but unfortunately that ship has sailed, so we're stuck with Iran (OOGA BOOGA! ) as Public Enemy #2.

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