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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Are you talking about the Charlottesville incident, where people were trying to exercise free speech (regardless of whether we agree with it, it's permitted in this country), and all sides devolved into violence, which he condemned? Because once again, that's not within the last month. As I said, if the claim is that he's racist every day, you should be able to give some more recent examples.
    I'm talking about the Charlottesvile incident where one side was yelling things like "blood and soil", "jews will not replace us", and one side was clearly racist far right groups. And then he referred to them as fine people.

    IDC how recent it is, nobody said that Trump literally says something racist every day that can be confirmed by reporters anyhow. He probably does though, that seems like a safe assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/w...imes&smtyp=cur

    Every time he opens his mouth he lies.
    Pretty good takedown of all of the stupidity here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b04df054f7a718

    LONDON ― President Donald Trump offered a classically Trumpian explanation for why he canceled his upcoming trip to the U.K.: the construction of a new U.S. embassy in the British capital represents a bad deal, and he wants nothing to do with it.

    “Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for ‘peanuts,’ only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars,” he tweeted late Thursday. “Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO!”

    While he’s correct that the construction of the new building was an unusually costly undertaking, most of his assertions, including placing the blame on President Barack Obama, majorly miss the mark, and lack decades of nuance and historical context.

    The decision to move the embassy move predated Obama.

    The decision to move the embassy from London’s Grosvenor Square actually took place during President George W. Bush’s tenure, though construction on the new site, located across the Thames river in an area called the Nine Elms Opportunity Zone, began in 2013.

    “This has been a long and careful process,” Robert Tuttle, then-U.S. ambassador to Britain, said in October 2008. “In the end, we realized that the goal of a modern, secure and environmentally sustainable embassy could best be met by constructing a new facility.”

    The U.S. didn’t own the land the old embassy sits on.

    The Duke of Westminster owns the plot of land in Mayfair where the current embassy is located. It’s created somewhat of a sticky situation for the U.S., which owns most of the land that accompanies its embassies around the world.

    Legend has it that when construction finished on the Eero Saarinen-built structure in 1960, the two countries agreed to a long-term lease that cost the U.S. one golden peppercorn annually.

    The Duke reportedly refused to sell the land to the Americans, once even joking that he would only do so if the U.S. promised to return land belonging to his family that was confiscated during the war for U.S. independence.

    Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund bought the building in 2009, winning approval in 2016 to turn the property into a luxury hotel.

    It’s not as simple as the embassy being bought for “peanuts.”

    The price tag on the construction of the new building, about $1 billion, makes it the most expensive project of its kind. But, as the embassy’s website notes, the U.S. managed to fund it entirely through the sale of other U.S.-owned properties in London, including, according to The Washington Post, the current embassy. So, while we don’t know exactly how much the U.S. gained from the sales, we do know that the new construction happened at no cost to U.S. taxpayers.

    The embassy’s current location is hardly, as Trump claimed, “the finest.”

    The current embassy’s location in a busy square makes it difficult to secure, and attempts to do so weren’t popular with the neighbors. The U.S. spent £8 million (about $11 million) on security upgrades following the September 11, 2001, attacks, because local residents protested having to live near what they felt was a terror target.

    “We will be sorry to see the U.S. embassy leave as the current security arrangements we negotiated are working well,” Robert Davis, deputy leader of the Westminster City Council, said in 2008. “But we understand their desire to be in a more secure compound.

    The highly congested area also subjected some U.S. diplomats to a congestion tax, which they seemingly have refused to pay. People who drive through central London on weekdays are required to pay a fee in an effort to cut down on traffic. According to official figures, embassy staff owe about $15 million to the city.

    The new embassy is hardly in an “off location.”

    Located near the river on London’s South Bank, the new Nine Elms location actually fulfils one of the core missions of an embassy ― a connection with the given country’s government.

    “As the United Kingdom is our best friend and best ally, we wanted to be as close to parliament and government buildings as the current site and we have achieved that,” Tuttle said in the same 2008 statement. The new building is walking distance from London’s MI6 foreign intelligence headquarters.

    The move also appears to be creating big benefits for the surrounding community.

    “The embassy has been a magnet for new investment and a vital catalyst for a regeneration program which is delivering tens of thousands of jobs and homes,” local councillor Ravi Govindia said.

    The fear of protests could have also been part of Trump’s calculation.

    There may be more to Trump’s decision that he isn’t letting onto. Namely, a trip to London could have done further damage to the president’s public image.

    “His visit next month would without doubt have been met by mass peaceful protests,” London Mayor Sadiq Khan said Friday in a statement. “Many Londoners have made it clear that Donald Trump is not welcome here while he is pursuing such a divisive agenda. It seems he’s finally got that message.”

    In fact, tens of thousands of people have already shown interest in a protest that was scheduled in anticipation of Trump’s visit.

    Trump’s expected visit had been laced with controversy from the start, given the rollercoaster relationship he has fostered with the British government. He’s consistently denigrated Prime Minister Theresa May and Khan over their handling of terrorism in the U.K. May, in turn, criticized him for retweeting a series Islamophobic videos shared by a controversial British far-right activist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    I'm talking about the Charlottesvile incident where one side was yelling things like "blood and soil", "jews will not replace us", and one side was clearly racist far right groups. And then he referred to them as fine people.

    IDC how recent it is, nobody said that Trump literally says something racist every day that can be confirmed by reporters anyhow. He probably does though, that seems like a safe assumption.
    If you're making the assumption, then either that's not a very wise assumption to make, or that would be something to the contrary of what you're attempting to clarify. If something's going to be posted here somewhat repetitively, then I have no choice but to take it at face value.

    OK, so it was Charlottesville. One group starts speaking, another group wishes to engage in political discourse. Nothing wrong with that; it's a very healthy thing. BTW, nazis aren't far right, given "socialism" (at least a translation thereof) is in the long definition of "nazi". If you're trying to disavow from that group, that's fine, but there's more than two sides to this, so lumping them in with another group you don't like isn't the wisest course. Especially since the two sides engaging in political discourse were, by your definition, "far right". Once militants started to show up in the form of Antifa, and then cars were being driven in by another group to run over people, that's when things devolved, and that is what was being condemned. What Trump's saying is that it doesn't matter who started it, they're all behaving like a bunch of buffoons, so stop it. Just like any good mediator does.
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by French Rage View Post
    Pretty good takedown of all of the stupidity here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b04df054f7a718
    Weren't some of the leaders in the UK trying to have him banned anyway? Sounds like he isn't welcome, so if a group's cutting him off, and he has many more pressing affairs, why waste the time?
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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    Trump was commenting on the Central Park five as recently as October 2016, a month before he was elected. Also, Flag's only point to refute that and the housing discrimination were that they were old, so I can only deduce from that that he is conceding Trump is racist, just that some racist stuff happened more than a decade ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    If you're making the assumption, then either that's not a very wise assumption to make, or that would be something to the contrary of what you're attempting to clarify. If something's going to be posted here somewhat repetitively, then I have no choice but to take it at face value.
    All evidence that you keep ignoring shows that it's a pretty safe assumption. But you're a republican and you don't care about facts I get it.

    OK, so it was Charlottesville.
    WOAH you're catching on pretty quickly now!

    One group starts speaking, another group wishes to engage in political discourse. Nothing wrong with that; it's a very healthy thing. BTW, nazis aren't far right, given "socialism" (at least a translation thereof) is in the long definition of "nazi". If you're trying to disavow from that group, that's fine, but there's more than two sides to this, so lumping them in with another group you don't like isn't the wisest course. Especially since the two sides engaging in political discourse were, by your definition, "far right". Once militants started to show up in the form of Antifa, and then cars were being driven in by another group to run over people, that's when things devolved, and that is what was being condemned. What Trump's saying is that it doesn't matter who started it, they're all behaving like a bunch of buffoons, so stop it. Just like any good mediator does.
    They're clearly a fascist group hence far right. Not hard to understand unless you're deliberately trying to obfuscate things which you are.

    Trump referred to both sides as fine people. One was made up of racists shouting racist things. Therefore if Trump says the racist group = "fine people" that would lead us to deduce that he's racist, unless you're a complete rock head who can't understand something a third grader could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
    Trump was commenting on the Central Park five as recently as October 2016, a month before he was elected. Also, Flag's only point to refute that and the housing discrimination were that they were old, so I can only deduce from that that he is conceding Trump is racist, just that some racist stuff happened more than a decade ago.
    I think Flag (and the rest of the Trumpettes) are about a week away from saying "He's not racist! He just hates brown people! That's not racist!"

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    Oh well if people didn't want him there anyways, then making error-filled claims about why he didn't want to be there anyways is totally a reasonable and mature way to react. And he needs the time to make sure he doesn't postpone his fake news awards for a second time. Yesiree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
    Trump was commenting on the Central Park five as recently as October 2016, a month before he was elected. Also, Flag's only point to refute that and the housing discrimination were that they were old, so I can only deduce from that that he is conceding Trump is racist, just that some racist stuff happened more than a decade ago.
    Only thing I knew about the Central Park Five at the time was that it was something that happened in the late 80's. Now I've had a chance to actually look at the case. He thought they were guilty, and eventually proved to be not. He was clearly taking a hard stance on rape. That has nothing to do with racism whatsoever.

    As for the housing, Trump has proved himself, when he was in charge and not his father, to be quite the contrary, and sheltering many people, including minorities. Once again, you're placing his father's sins onto him because he happened to work for the company at the time.

    Neither makes him a racist.
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisplacedCornellian View Post
    I think Flag (and the rest of the Trumpettes) are about a week away from saying "He's not racist! He just hates brown people! That's not racist!"
    How does he hate brown people? Are you basing this on a travel ban to enforce on a group of countries that Obama picked out?
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    So flaggy: you win.

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    So when does a billionaire or a hostile foreign government realize it's much cheaper to buy a producer at Fox & Friends than to donate to SuperPAC's?
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    So when are we going to hear from the Republicans that were in the meeting either confirming Trump's denial or corroborating accounts of what he said. ****ing cowards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    All evidence that you keep ignoring shows that it's a pretty safe assumption. But you're a republican and you don't care about facts I get it.


    WOAH you're catching on pretty quickly now!

    They're clearly a fascist group hence far right. Not hard to understand unless you're deliberately trying to obfuscate things which you are.

    Trump referred to both sides as fine people. One was made up of racists shouting racist things. Therefore if Trump says the racist group = "fine people" that would lead us to deduce that he's racist, unless you're a complete rock head who can't understand something a third grader could.
    You don't have to be far right to be fascist. Fascism is when you use a central government to dictate policy and silence dissenters. As we've seen in history (Hitler, Stalin, Mao), it's the only way to enforce socialism and make sure people follow it. By definition, we can consider all three of those leaders to be fascists.

    You have people exercising their Constitutional rights and engaging in political discourse. They aren't silencing anyone, nor are they taking any civilly disobedient actions. Why shouldn't they be considered fine people? Again, you're only focusing on the one group that has disagreeable beliefs, and they're supposedly not allowed to be fine because of their beliefs. I'd consider all the pundits here to be fine people, even if my words apparently make their blood boil, and I don't agree with a number of them. Not really any different.
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aparch View Post
    Also, Donald has canceled his UK trip, because "the Embassy real estate deal was bad," blaming Obama for the 'terrible' relocation of the US embassy in London... Which was really started and approved under the GW Bush days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    It's cool, they hate Bush now, too. The Deplorables hate everyone except Dear Leader and their fellow apes.
    I really don't think most of them have any real affection for donny now, but he's all they have in a world full of things that frighten them.

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    The US ambassador to Panama resigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    You don't have to be far right to be fascist. Fascism is when you use a central government to dictate policy and silence dissenters. As we've seen in history (Hitler, Stalin, Mao), it's the only way to enforce socialism and make sure people follow it. By definition, we can consider all three of those leaders to be fascists.

    You have people exercising their Constitutional rights and engaging in political discourse. They aren't silencing anyone, nor are they taking any civilly disobedient actions. Why shouldn't they be considered fine people? Again, you're only focusing on the one group that has disagreeable beliefs, and they're supposedly not allowed to be fine because of their beliefs. I'd consider all the pundits here to be fine people, even if my words apparently make their blood boil, and I don't agree with a number of them. Not really any different.
    Why shouldn't racists, shouting racist things who want to commit genocide of marginalized groups, be considered fine people? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    Way to be a nazi sympathizer frauddy.

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    Also Japan has found Russian hackers trying to get US senators emails before the 2018 midterms. No big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Also Japan has found Russian hackers trying to get US senators emails before the 2018 midterms. No big deal.
    Isn't that referred to in most parts as "intelligence"?
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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