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  • #31
    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

    Russia Today, haha. You poor child.

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    • #32
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      Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
      Russia Today, haha. You poor child.
      If you decided to actually read it instead of sticking to your troll talking points, you might have found the official declaration. https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/720...t5r6_88440.pdf

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      • #33
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        I can't get enough of the Party of Family Values. If Pence looks at Trump cross-eyed and gets dropped from the ticket, this "rising star" should be a shoo-in to replace him.

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        • #34
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          But were they Confederate llamas??

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          • #35
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            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
            First, half of the CA counties leaving CA will never happen. Second, SD is liberal by US standards, has faar more in common with other coastal CA than with small town rural CA, and would vote in a heartbeat to stay. Third, urban CA probably should vote to leave its 50% of rural counterparts not the other way around...rural CA like the same type of counties as elsewhere are really money pits. And while I have no problem with this, its just tiresome to hear them complain as much as they do.
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            • #36
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              Unfortunately for the New CA, its nearly impossible to form a new state when trying to take land from an existing one.

              Requires a lot of lawmakers voting for you.
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              • #37
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                Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
                Unfortunately for the New CA, its nearly impossible to form a new state when trying to take land from an existing one.

                Requires a lot of lawmakers voting for you.
                Agreed.

                The New CA model relies on duping and then taking advantage of San Diego. Rural counties need to have San Diego to give them enough bodies to get them real representation. But then coupled with the conservatives that do live in SD, conservatives would outweigh the current liberal majority there - leaving it with conservative leadership. To make matters worse for the city...San Diego as with most major cities would earn the tax revenue that is needed to keep the rural counties afloat. A burden which would be placed much more squarely on SD rather than all the coastal cities today. Its really a version of political and economic gerrymandering.

                Regardless...it remains in the 'never happenin' bucket.
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                • #38
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                  Unfortunately for you both. You’re debating a mentally deficient troll.
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                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                    Agreed.

                    The New CA model relies on duping and then taking advantage of San Diego. Rural counties need to have San Diego to give them enough bodies to get them real representation. But then coupled with the conservatives that do live in SD, conservatives would outweigh the current liberal majority there - leaving it with conservative leadership. To make matters worse for the city...San Diego as with most major cities would earn the tax revenue that is needed to keep the rural counties afloat. A burden which would be placed much more squarely on SD rather than all the coastal cities today. Its really a version of political and economic gerrymandering.

                    Regardless...it remains in the 'never happenin' bucket.
                    Living in an area that has a similar issue, the biggest problem that comes is that there are a lot of spending policies that the large cities want to spend on that aren't really a problem in the other parts of the state. Sure, the areas may have ways they think they can make up for it, including "shifting the problems" to the rural counties, but what it really does is creates unnecessary administrative expenses for the other counties. The rural counties are confident that they can be more resourceful without being obligated to fulfill the needs of the cities.

                    That being said, it is difficult to become a new state. That's why there was a push for "autonomous regions" in New York State as a sort of a way around it: They're still considered one state, but effectively have two separate governments, would likely each have one senator, and would split electoral votes. It's certainly possible that California could explore that route. I don't know how their Constitution allows for handling that.

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                    • #40
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                      The arrogance of rural communities that they think they can make it without cities is ridiculous. Not only that but many of them rely on labor that is against the law. Arrogant and short sighted, all of them.
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                      • #41
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                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        The arrogance of rural communities that they think they can make it without cities is ridiculous. Not only that but many of them rely on labor that is against the law. Arrogant and short sighted, all of them.
                        I lived in the middle of nowhere for 18 years. We lived just fine. We stayed within our means. We had our ways to solve problems. We were happy.

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                        • #42
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                          Not nec debating, just discussing with someone who has different points of view.

                          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                          Living in an area that has a similar issue, the biggest problem that comes is that there are a lot of spending policies that the large cities want to spend on that aren't really a problem in the other parts of the state. Sure, the areas may have ways they think they can make up for it, including "shifting the problems" to the rural counties, but what it really does is creates unnecessary administrative expenses for the other counties
                          Cities pay for rural areas typically. Do cities cost more to govern than rural areas...yeah, you bet. Do they generate income that more than makes up for it? Definitely. So they then send money and development funds off to rural counties. I'm not sure what 'problems' cities could even shift to rural counties.

                          Frankly the management of the urban economic engine requires deft governing. There are risks when the keys are handed to those who don't have any understanding of how it operates to drive it and/or just want to milk it.

                          The article I could find was regarding MN...but it illustrates the flow of money in our state. http://www.startribune.com/metro-vs-...aid/289629981/

                          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                          That's why there was a push for "autonomous regions" in New York State as a sort of a way around it: They're still considered one state, but effectively have two separate governments, would likely each have one senator, and would split electoral votes.
                          I think many would be cool with this - I would be. Let rural areas have their key social policies. But it works both ways. For example, make it a serious prison time crime to those who conceal and carry in the seven county metro area. Believe me...cities would allow rural areas quite a bit of autonomy for that alone.
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                          • #43
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                            What value do cities produce outside of moving electrons?

                            Where are the factories, the farms?
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                              I lived in the middle of nowhere for 18 years. We lived just fine. We stayed within our means. We had our ways to solve problems. We were happy.
                              Troy is not in the middle of nowhere. Potsdam, on the other hand, is.
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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                                Agreed.

                                The New CA model relies on duping and then taking advantage of San Diego. Rural counties need to have San Diego to give them enough bodies to get them real representation. But then coupled with the conservatives that do live in SD, conservatives would outweigh the current liberal majority there - leaving it with conservative leadership. To make matters worse for the city...San Diego as with most major cities would earn the tax revenue that is needed to keep the rural counties afloat. A burden which would be placed much more squarely on SD rather than all the coastal cities today. Its really a version of political and economic gerrymandering.

                                Regardless...it remains in the 'never happenin' bucket.
                                It's also cute they add in Contra Costa Country in an attempt to gain people and jobs when they would never actually go for it. I will give them credit, though, that map is better than their original one that also including Santa Clara County, which makes the current map look sane by comparison.

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