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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    It'd require Congressional approval even if it passed, so maybe in fifty years.
    A referendum of all the states too, I suspect?

    Edit: huh, maybe not:

    New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress. -- US Constitution, Article IV Section 3

    WV is the only case and that was, um, complicated by the Civil War:

    On May 13, 1862, the state legislature of the reorganized government (of the counties seceding from VA) approved the formation of the new state. An application for admission to the Union was made to Congress. On December 31, 1862, an enabling act was approved by President Lincoln, admitting West Virginia on the condition that a provision for the gradual abolition of slavery be inserted in the Constitution. The Convention was reconvened on February 12, 1863, and the demand was met. The revised constitution was adopted on March 26, 1863, and on April 20, 1863, President Lincoln issued a proclamation admitting the state at the end of 60 days, on June 20, 1863. Meanwhile, officers for the new state were chosen, and Governor Pierpont moved the Restored Government to Alexandria from which he asserted jurisdiction over the counties of Virginia within the Federal lines.

    The constitutionality of the new state was achieved when the Unionist government of Virginia approved the division. The question of the addition of two counties came before the Supreme Court of the United States in the case of Virginia v. West Virginia, 78 U.S. 39 (1871). Berkeley and Jefferson counties lying on the Potomac east of the mountains, in 1863, with the consent of the Reorganized government of Virginia voted in favor of annexation to West Virginia. Many men absent in the Confederate army when the vote was taken refused to acknowledge the transfer upon their return. The Virginia General Assembly repealed the act of cession and in 1866 brought suit against West Virginia asking the court to declare the two counties a part of Virginia. Meanwhile, Congress on March 10, 1866, passed a joint resolution recognizing the transfer. The Supreme Court decided in favor of West Virginia, and there has been no further question.
    Presumably the non-WV parts of VA lost the right to consent because they had committed treason against the US. Same reason they lost their representation in Congress for a while.

    It looks to me like only the states involved and the Congress need to "consent," an that consent is undefined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    CA should be split, but it shouldn't be because some as-shats in Silicon Valley want to create the Libertarian Republic of Atherton. Pass. For now.
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    If they divided into Red/Blue, Blue would be the DC suburbs and Baltimore City. Red would be Western MD and the Eastern Shore and split in Howard and Anne Arundel Counties.

    VA would be NoVa and the cities Blue and the rest Red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
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    If they divided into Red/Blue, Blue would be the DC suburbs and Baltimore City. Red would be Western MD and the Eastern Shore and split in Howard and Anne Arundel Counties.

    VA would be NoVa and the cities Blue and the rest Red.
    A quick national approximation of Red/Blue splits:



    But CA shouldn't split over red/blue, it should split over geography and population. It's 3 different states. NY should split in two, along 84 (sorry, Ithaca). FL two along route 4. I don't know enough about TX, let's say 2 along the Spanish Line.

    That's 5 news states plus PR while we're at it, so 6. (Split most of DC between MD and VA; and throw all our Pacific Island crap into HI.) So we need to merge 6 states to make the number round again.

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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    A quick national approximation of Red/Blue splits:

    img src="https://progressivecynic.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/high-school-graduation-rate.png"
    Two interesting notes from that graphic. First, Ramsey County in MN has a lower graduation rate than the counties surrounding it. Ramsey Cnty contains St. Paul. Second, the 75-85.3% bracket is mostly where the poorest Native American reservations are in the state.
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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Two interesting notes from that graphic. First, Ramsey County in MN has a lower graduation rate than the counties surrounding it. Ramsey Cnty contains St. Paul. Second, the 75-85.3% bracket is mostly where the poorest Native American reservations are in the state.
    I wonder if that has anything to do with open enrollment, i.e. the more affluent ppl of St. Paul going to either private schools or even other public districts.
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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

    But wouldn’t they still be counted in the areas they live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    But wouldn’t they still be counted in the areas they live?
    Maybe they all left St. Paul after school like I did

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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

    Could be

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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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    Re the map. Is there another that breaks it down by race/ethnicity??

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
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    Re the map. Is there another that breaks it down by race/ethnicity??
    It is kinda a map of whiteness, with Appalachia as a huge difference.

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    Iowa may have done something right.

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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

    Just another overzealous city inspector...

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    Just another overzealous city inspector...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Mayor already condemned the action.
    The mayor gets elected. The inspector gets hired. Both should want to keep their jobs by offering excellent customer service.

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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

    Not here, but in the Great White North. But how many US states have similar restrictions??

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    Not here, but in the Great White North. But how many US states have similar restrictions??

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    Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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