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  • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

    Originally posted by FredsDeadFriend View Post
    I'm addressing the issue of compassion shown to those who DO NOT contribute to the betterment of society.
    LynahFan already fully anticipated my science rebuttal, so I'll handle the arts rebuttal.

    There are two discrete concepts conflated in your statements. This means you are wrong in two interestingly different ways.

    Compassion is the realization that every one of us is part of society and contributes to it. That is the ground of the genuine universal love that crops up again and again in human culture and which most of us in the West are most familiar with as Christian Universal Love, "agape." So, from the point of view of compassion, your statement is meaningless. No one does not deserve compassion, by definition. Compassion is a responsibility that is placed on us by our humanity -- we do not excel by demonstrating it, we can only fail to be strong enough to show it.

    But I believe what you are describing is mercy. Mercy implies the object does not "deserve it." When we help the person who is by even our own estimation utterly unredeemable, that is mercy. You are arguing that mercy is anti-Darwinian and this frfom a species point of view a mistake.

    I don't have a glib answer (JUST THIS ONCE) for why you are wrong. I have a really, really long one. I'm on about her a lot, I know, but my secret girlfriend Martha Nussbaum writes about this in her work, in particular The Fragility of Goodness and Anger, Mercy, Revenge: The Complete Works of Lucius Annaeus Seneca. Somewhere in those thousands of pages, and other works by other authors, and personal contemplation, I found my answer to why you are wrong, and why mercy -- far from being stupid -- is indeed the smartest idea people have ever had.

    Another, much more accessible, place to go is the Oresteia cycle by Aeschylus from the 5th century BCE, in particular the final play "The Eumenides," which is the Greek origin story of justice and the introduction into human institutions of a method of "impersonal" mercy. That's where I would go if I were you and interested in learning a perspective that contradicts yours. Note also that this work anticipates the strongest arguments against mercy, and does so in a fair and intellectually stimulating, not to mention poetically sublime, manner, so it's good to know even if you wish to persist in being wrongheaded.

    Post scriptum: And by the way, everybody, this is why I'm such an "elitist." Contrary to the defensiveness it provokes, it's got nothing to do with rank ordering people or unhumble bragging. (That is an ancillary service provided free of charge strictly for my personal amusement.) It's the recognition that the parts of human life that I have found, by experimentation, as the deepest, most profound, most moving, most satisfying, and ultimately most "important," whatever that means, have come to me in large part because of elite education. But it's even more important to realize that this education is available to every person every day through autodidactism. I had only a moderate understanding of Greek tragedy in my actual college days. Everything I've read and learned on compassion and mercy has been subsequently as an adult on my own time and for the pure joy of it (or, more exactly, my utter boredom during 2000 hours of work per year), which means any person could do the same thing.
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    • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

      Happy Indiana Pi Day everyone!

      Let us not forget the mathematical lies the State of Indiana tried to legislate on this date when they tried to make pi=3.2
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      • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

        Falcon Heavy pushed back to 2:20.

        Live stream here.
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        • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Falcon Heavy pushed back to 2:20.

          Live stream here.
          It's now showing 3:10pm in the live stream.

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          • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

            Originally posted by alfablue View Post
            It's now showing 3:10pm in the live stream.
            For a Bond villain he's doing a lousy job controlling the weather.
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            • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              For a Bond villain he's doing a lousy job controlling the weather.
              Worse- it's now showing 3:45.

              Someone needs to invest more in a God complex. Gotta control the weather.

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              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                For a Bond villain he's doing a lousy job controlling the weather.
                Hahaha, Musk as a Bond villain is perfect.

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                • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

                  Almost a million viewing the live stream with about 15 minutes to go.

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                  • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

                    Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
                    Almost a million viewing the live stream with about 15 minutes to go.
                    1.3M with about 5 to go.

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                    • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

                      My God, the crazy son-of-a-b**ch did it. That was beautiful to watch.
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                      • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

                        Okay, so the second stage might not have landed successfully, but how much of Apollo or the Shuttle program was re-used?

                        This is a pretty big step forward. So close to crewed space travel via SpaceX.

                        Also... flat Earth rocket boy in Nevada can suck it:


                        Look at that curve!
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                        • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

                          Originally posted by aparch View Post
                          Okay, so the second stage might not have landed successfully, but how much of Apollo or the Shuttle program was re-used?

                          This is a pretty big step forward. So close to crewed space travel via SpaceX.

                          Also... flat Earth rocket boy in Nevada can suck it:


                          Look at that curve!
                          Did 2nd stage fail or just the camera?
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                          • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

                            Originally posted by aparch View Post
                            So close to crewed space travel via SpaceX.
                            Maybe not soooooo close. Reports are Falcon Heavy will never carry people. BFR will carry people; Falcon Heavy will be for "durable goods."

                            But closer, certainly. The more in the race the better. We need a new 1492 and we need it yesterday before the apes destroy us all.
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                            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              Did 2nd stage fail or just the camera?
                              They made it sound like it was the camera, but there hasn't been a race to Tweet to show proof, so I'm guessing Starman didn't survive the ride in his Tesla Roadster.
                              *edit* I'm mistaken. Starman and his Tesla are currently circling our Planet before one last burn to put in on a path for Mars orbit. Elon says the cameras on the car should provide amazing views of Mars. The second stage booster is rumored to have missed it's target and was lost. */edit*




                              I always stopped to watch Shuttle launches; NASA has always been an interest of mine. Is it wrong to think this was on par with a Mercury or Gemini launch in importance?
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                              • Re: Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

                                Originally posted by aparch View Post
                                They made it sound like it was the camera, but there hasn't been a race to Tweet to show proof, so I'm guessing Starman didn't survive the ride in his Tesla Roadster.


                                I always stopped to watch Shuttle launches; NASA has always been an interest of mine. Is it wrong to think this was on par with a Mercury or Gemini launch in importance?
                                Well, a Mercury or Gemini test, anyway.

                                Aint gwan matter until we send some dumbas-s flyboy up there again and get the apes' corpuscles moving. Lie to them and tell them it's for weapons. Send a Ram truck up there to spread Bud Lite on the moon. Maybe lynch somebody of color in the pre-launch festivities.

                                Just get the money to develop the theory and build the tech to get us away from the orcs and then let them burn their rock to a Jesus cinder.
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