Dead Thread 2017-18: Fare Thee Well!!

[FlagDUDE08]

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John McCain's true legacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFocBYusSO4

[JF_Gophers]

John McCain's true legacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFocBYusSO4

Odd that you find this the appropriate forum for that post.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Odd that you find this the appropriate forum for that post.

If it's good enough for joe...

[TimP]

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John McSame was a great statesman and served us well when we had to deal with the national emergencies that were the Dumbya and Trumpf regimes, but I will never forgive him for 2008. His campaign of racism and misogyny showed that he was no maverick, but rather, a true Republican.

[mookie1995]

John McSame was a great statesman and served us well when we had to deal with the national emergencies that were the Dumbya and Trumpf regimes, but I will never forgive him for 2008. His campaign of racism and misogyny showed that he was no maverick, but rather, a true Republican.

He doesn’t care what you forgive

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Senator McCain was a man and a politician. He had his faults and flaws, the biggest of which was arguably a level of self-importance, entitlement, and quest for power that made him a flip-flopper who pandered to popular positions depending on whether or not it was an election year, just to seem "maverick-y". The Palin running mate choice was the last straw, a hasty decision obviously made to play identity politics against Obama being black. So in those respects, I can't quite forgive him for being this generation's Aaron Burr.

That said, I'd prefer to remember him as one of our better elder statesmen who never quite achieved the Presidency, and leave it at that. Maybe more like this generation's Henry Clay. RIP, Senator.

[joecct]

If it's good enough for joe...

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[The Rube]

Re: Dead Thread 2017-18: Fare Thee Well!!

Senator McCain was a man and a politician. He had his faults and flaws, the biggest of which was arguably a level of self-importance, entitlement, and quest for power that made him a flip-flopper who pandered to popular positions depending on whether or not it was an election year, just to seem "maverick-y". The Palin running mate choice was the last straw, a hasty decision obviously made to play identity politics against Obama being black. So in those respects, I can't quite forgive him for being this generation's Aaron Burr.

That said, I'd prefer to remember him as one of our better elder statesmen who never quite achieved the Presidency, and leave it at that. Maybe more like this generation's Henry Clay. RIP, Senator.

I posted it in another thread, but that clip when he shut down that woman who said Obama was an Arab. JMC squashed that, and COMPLIMENTED Obama, and simply said they had their differences. Didn't rip Obama's views, just said he disagreed with them. it was friggin' awesome. Respectful disagreement is a lost art nowadays, ESPECIALLY in today's political world.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I posted it in another thread, but that clip when he shut down that woman who said Obama was an Arab. JMC squashed that, and COMPLIMENTED Obama, and simply said they had their differences. Didn't rip Obama's views, just said he disagreed with them. it was friggin' awesome. Respectful disagreement is a lost art nowadays, ESPECIALLY in today's political world.

Yes, probably McCain's best moment in the past 20 years. Shame he couldn't stick up for himself as fiercely when Dubya and Karl Rove smeared his family.

[leswp1]

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My maternal grandmother made the same choice. As she put it, "I'm alive because of the treatments, and I'm alive to get to the next treatment." She had had enough. She was very worried that stopping would be considered suicide and that she would be judged harshly for it by her Lord. The doctor was awesome and told her "This decision won't offend God. You've been kept alive through treatments all other creatures don't have access to. If anything, God is angry with me."

That doc is an amazing person. Kudos!

Senator McCain was a man and a politician. He had his faults and flaws, the biggest of which was arguably a level of self-importance, entitlement, and quest for power that made him a flip-flopper who pandered to popular positions depending on whether or not it was an election year, just to seem "maverick-y". The Palin running mate choice was the last straw, a hasty decision obviously made to play identity politics against Obama being black. So in those respects, I can't quite forgive him for being this generation's Aaron Burr.

That said, I'd prefer to remember him as one of our better elder statesmen who never quite achieved the Presidency, and leave it at that. Maybe more like this generation's Henry Clay. RIP, Senator.

great post. There were parts of him that I was disappointed in and parts I deeply respected. When l look back it seems as if he was trying very hard to remain a statesman and every once in awhile he fatigued out ant tried it the 'party way'. Those times are the times I didn't like what he was doing. Looking at him thru the lens of today the guy is wonderful. THe current passle of infants on the hill could take lessons in how to be civil, try to work with each other and accomplish things.

[First Time, Long Time]

John McCain's true legacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFocBYusSO4

You fit right in with the comments on that Flaggy.

[joecct]

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Well said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...k-test/568582/

[SteveP]

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@DanaBashCNN: John McCain dies 9 years to the day as his close friend Ted Kennedy

And the same type of brain cancer

[SteveP]

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Thankfully I didn't have to memorize "The Cremation of Sam McGee" the same way McCain did. Wow. Just WOW! One has to admit he was an impressive man regardless of one's political viewpoint.


Anecdotally, I found a lot of cancer Pts go through palliative chemoTx/XRT for their families rather than themselves. Regardless, it DOES take some major yarbles to say stop.

Charles Krauthammer also stopped treatment for his cancer.

[dxmnkd316]

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I’ve been mulling what to say about McCain now that I’ve had time to collect my thoughts.

I think the nicest thing I can say is that McCain was cut from the same cloth as Paul Wellstone. I deeply respected both men. During my conservative phase I respected the memory of Wellstone even if I didn’t agree with him. Likewise today, I didn't and certainly still don’t agree with a lot of what McCain voted for but I always thought he was one of the good guys.

The man was an honest to god war hero. We throw that term ‘hero’ around a lot today, but he defines the word. He put honor and country above everything and he lived it every day of his life.

I’m deeply hurt by his passing and I don’t see someone on the right of his character willing or much less able to carry his legacy. RIP Senator. You’ll be sorely missed.