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    Paul Smiths College to add Women's Hockey

    Women's hockey and quite a splash too. Their first head coach will be Team USA and Princeton alumna Andrea Kilbourne-Hill.

    http://paulsmiths.meritpages.com/new...ns-hockey/1781
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    Re: Paul Smiths College to add Women's Hockey

    Wonder what conference they'll play in? The logistics say NEWHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Wonder what conference they'll play in? The logistics say NEWHL.
    To my understanding they are not an NCAA institution but a USCAA institution and I see no announcement that they are changing that, so they will not be in any NCAA conference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    To my understanding they are not an NCAA institution but a USCAA institution and I see no announcement that they are changing that, so they will not be in any NCAA conference.
    Are these start up interested in hockey or interested in keeping enrollment numbers up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giwan View Post
    Are these start up interested in hockey or interested in keeping enrollment numbers up?
    This is the first quote from the new Olympian HC alludes to increased enrollment:

    "I'm excited to help bring women's hockey to Paul Smith's College," said Kilbourne-Hill. "I see the addition of a women's hockey team at Paul Smith's as a win-win. It's a win for Paul Smith's College. Adding a women's hockey team will bring driven and motivated female students onto this beautiful campus."
    Even if the motivation is enrollment numbers for the institution, I think the byproduct of more opportunity to play women's hockey is a net positive for the sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    This is the first quote from the new Olympian HC alludes to increased enrollment:



    Even if the motivation is enrollment numbers for the institution, I think the byproduct of more opportunity to play women's hockey is a net positive for the sport.

    Did I miss something or does the USCAA not sponsor hockey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTOWN View Post
    Did I miss something or does the USCAA not sponsor hockey?
    They’ll be likely playing club teams for majority of the schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    To my understanding they are not an NCAA institution but a USCAA institution and I see no announcement that they are changing that, so they will not be in any NCAA conference.
    The USCAA does not sanction hockey. One would have to assume they are going NCAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireKnight View Post
    The USCAA does not sanction hockey. One would have to assume they are going NCAA.
    You can't play NCAA hockey without being a NCAA member.
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    Re: Paul Smiths College to add Women's Hockey

    Sounds like there's a lot of confusion here... it definitely has my attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireKnight View Post
    The USCAA does not sanction hockey. One would have to assume they are going NCAA.
    USCAA doesn't sponsor coed marathon canoe either, but Paul Smith's has one of those teams. As someone said earlier, they can't play in the NCAA; they'll play mostly club teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaizeRage View Post
    USCAA doesn't sponsor coed marathon canoe either, but Paul Smith's has one of those teams. As someone said earlier, they can't play in the NCAA; they'll play mostly club teams.
    A school can be affiliated with both NCAA and USCAA
    http://www.theuscaa.com/Constitution..._07-01-17-.pdf

    SUNY Canton has dual membership (the only one i saw on the list)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...A_institutions

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    They will have a tough time drawing many really good players because it is only club hockey (unless they decide to join the NCAA) and most of their majors are very much "non-mainstream," so very limiting when it comes to recruiting. Might be similar to the struggles Daniel Webster had.

    Found an article where she said she left Northwood because she was missing too much family time with her kids but now she's going to do this?! Must be a nice paycheck involved to make her decide to sacrifice being able to spend time with her kids once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaizeRage View Post
    USCAA doesn't sponsor coed marathon canoe either, but Paul Smith's has one of those teams. As someone said earlier, they can't play in the NCAA; they'll play mostly club teams.
    I can't see even a well-to-do institution like Paul Smith's hiring a medium to high profile coach to coach a club team. If they don't go NCAA, I'd be very surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireKnight View Post
    I can't see even a well-to-do institution like Paul Smith's hiring a medium to high profile coach to coach a club team. If they don't go NCAA, I'd be very surprised.
    That would seem like a logical direction to go in. I believe the article said her title is the Director of Hockey and that they do have a men's club hockey team too, so they probably have some sort of three to five year plan in place for a transition to NCAA status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bc6696 View Post

    SUNY Canton has dual membership (the only one i saw on the list)
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    Is Canton staying with the USCAA? Their teams are all joining the North Atlantic Conference NCAA D3 conference in all sports where they offer a championship for 18-19. What would be the benefit of dual membership?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Is Canton staying with the USCAA? Their teams are all joining the North Atlantic Conference NCAA D3 conference in all sports where they offer a championship for 18-19. What would be the benefit of dual membership?
    Canton is going full ncaa with the move to the NAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Canton is going full ncaa with the move to the NAC.
    NAC isn’t a very strong conference. Castleton is moving out of the NAC and into the Little East because they found the NAC a little lacking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Canton is going full ncaa with the move to the NAC.
    Canton Tech is on a long path from JUCO to NCAA. They seemed to do it in baby steps.
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    Re: Paul Smiths College to add Women's Hockey

    Quote Originally Posted by bc6696 View Post
    A school can be affiliated with both NCAA and USCAA
    http://www.theuscaa.com/Constitution..._07-01-17-.pdf

    SUNY Canton has dual membership (the only one i saw on the list)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...A_institutions
    True, they can be affiliated with both. But, they have to be a full member of NCAA to be able to play any NCAA sport. And there are minimum requirements to joining the NCAA, and they include a minimum number of sponsored NCAA sports with a minimum number of sponsored NCAA sports in each season (Fall, Winter, Spring). I don't know offhand what those minimum numbers are for D3, but I wonder if Paul Smith's even competes in enough sports to meet those numbers.

    EDIT: I just went and looked at their sports offerings. Rugby doesn't count because that's not an NCAA sport. So, the men have cross country, soccer, and basketball. The women have cross country, soccer, volleyball, and basketball (and soon ice hockey). Note, there is no spring sports for anyone. That's a serious problem right there. And overall, I don't think they have enough sports to be recognized by the NCAA. I'm sure there are probationary periods allowed, but I wonder about this whole plan.

    EDIT2: Here is what I found on the NCAA application to explore D3 membership:

    Please note that your institution must satisfy the minimum sports-sponsorship requirements during your exploratory
    year. Complete the chart included by listing all varsity intercollegiate sports involving all male, all female and mixed male
    and female teams you plan to sponsor during the exploratory year.
    1. At least six varsity intercollegiate sports for men and at least three of the six sports must be team sports.*
    2. At least six varsity intercollegiate sports for women and at least three of the six sports must be team sports.*
    3. One sport per gender per season (i.e., fall, winter, spring).
    [Team sports include: baseball, basketball, field hockey, football, ice hockey, lacrosse, rowing (women’s), rugby
    (women’s), soccer, softball, volleyball and water polo.]
    *Institutions with full-time undergraduate enrollment fewer than 1,000 students must sponsor only five varsity
    intercollegiate sports for each gender.


    Paul Smith's does not meet any of these requirements, even for the ones under 1,000 students, if that is their enrollment.

    [Funny, I just noticed that women's rugby is an NCAA sport. Huh, never knew that. So, the women's side if they are under 1,000 students would meet requirement #2. Is rugby in the spring? If so, half of requirement #3 is also now met.]
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