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    The key is the thought-terminating cliche that "the scariest words are 'I'm from the government and I' here to help.'" Reagan's cutesy catch-phrase perfectly captures the idiocy of people who benefit from government but who are so easily swayed by the rich into attacking the only thing that keeps them from becoming serfs. This is done by pointing out that government also helps: minorities, women, liberals, free-thinkers, atheists -- anyone not in the small, cramped ideological circle of the rural, reactionary, resentful white Christian poor.

    Republicans are brilliant at inciting those rubes to burn their own ladders out of the pit of poverty. It's a great strategy and there are really only two endgames if it succeeds: slavery or violent rebellion.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    RR was not the first to use that phrase. search of Google says both D & R used it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    RR was not the first to use that phrase. search of Google says both D & R used it.
    But he made great use of it to attack the one force strong enough to keep the plutocracy in check.

    You know this from church history: freedom is the space carved out when massive powers deadlock. Crown and nobility. Emperor and church. Private wealth and government used to have that balance but the right got people to destroy their own freedom by cheering for private wealth to overwhelm government. The result is the last forty years of the impoverishment of the people after an equally long period of their enrichment due to government being able to hold the rich in check.

    How you can still be on the side of those who would enslave us all is beyond my comprehension. It's tempting to call you a sucker, and maybe you are, but I have to imagine you have your reasons. And I have to think what has been happening throughout our entire adult lives has not escaped your notice.

    You backed the wrong side, dude. No shame in that, but it's never too late to come to come over to the good guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    For many, this may be an issue, but it won't change voting behaviors. Because- guns, abortion, terrorism, immigration, etc. Even though NONE of those are ever addressed, the emotion that each carries trumps logic and people's pocketbook.

    Otherwise, this very long term destruction of our government would never be going on.

    We think the future will suck because poor will be poor, and never have a way to pull out of the bottom- but the real key is the poor will never be educated, and the really smart ones will still have no way to pull out of the bottom. Education has gotten the first major, major cut, and it's effects will run deep for a long time. General health and the environment are next up.

    And we somehow pretend that greed is good....
    The problem isnt money its the kids/families. There are plenty of opportunities to learn inside and outside schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    We think the future will suck because poor will be poor, and never have a way to pull out of the bottom- but the real key is the poor will never be educated, and the really smart ones will still have no way to pull out of the bottom. Education has gotten the first major, major cut, and it's effects will run deep for a long time. General health and the environment are next up.
    And yet, the new plan looks to give people the incentive to actually move forward and prosper. But no, globalists want you poor, stupid, and dependent.

    Remember, the "established 1%" already don't pay taxes, as they had the government create them loopholes to escape it. What y'all are attacking are the mom and pop owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    The problem isn’t money it’s the kids/families. There are plenty of opportunities to learn inside and outside schools.
    There are, but we inculcate a culture of consumerism, materialism, and "amusing ourselves to death" in each successive generation. When people compare generations they never allow for the massive damage to character caused by a steady diet of commercials, noise, perpetual music, and entertainment from birth to adulthood. People have no quiet time to their own thoughts -- they have no time to even form their own thoughts. So everything in their head was jammed there by somebody trying to grab their money or their vote.

    Each successive generation has been animal trained more efficiently and with greater psychological savvy than the previous to want and spend. The result is a population of morons. Here we have the most rich banquet of education available in history -- every surviving text from every religion, philosophy, political system, economic theory, history, science and writer is available for almost no cost and no effort to every person with internet access. But those people have no will to self-improve, no curiosity to discover the world, no self-discipline to do the hard work of learning.

    And this was completely intentional. This was a deliberate program to turn humans into vegetables whose only purpose was to die in their masters' wars, then to work in their masters' factories and now, those things being obsolete, to shop in their masters' consumer economy.

    There's no room in the capitalist paradise for education. Only Pavlovian training.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    The problem isnt money its the kids/families. There are plenty of opportunities to learn inside and outside schools.
    Not for everyone, or even a majority. Why do you paint such a broad brush for every family? There are plenty of kids who's parents want them to succeed at school who are getting a substandard education thanks to cuts.

    That's a pretty weak generalization.

    And, no, there are not plenty of opportunities to learn inside and outside of schools because of cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    You backed the wrong side, dude. No shame in that, but it's never too late to come to come over to the good guys.
    I saw an interesting bit of food for thought the the other day, something like this: The Republican Party is in deep trouble, because so many Republicans in Alabama found the courage to cast a vote for a Democrat and found out that the world didn't end.
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    Hatch (aka Scumbag of the Year) takes heat on real estate provision so Corker can continue to vote yes on tax bill.

    That just puts Hatch and Corker on the same level. Congrats guys.

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    Every Minnesota Republican House Member (Lewis, Paulsen, and Emmer) voted yes on the tax bill. Not a single Democrat in the House voted for it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...live-vote.html

    The Republican No's came from California, NJ, NY, and one from North Carolina.

    Everyone that voted yes is drip slime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    I saw an interesting bit of food for thought the the other day, something like this: The Republican Party is in deep trouble, because so many Republicans in Alabama found the courage to cast a vote for a Democrat and found out that the world didn't end.
    That has always been my contention about a genuine socialist program in the US. It's adoption and the subsequent lack of apocalypse would destroy the main talking point of the right of the last century.

    It's also why the GOP had to destroy Obamacare. They could never allow it to succeed because it would give the lie to their entire ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Every Minnesota Republican House Member (Lewis, Paulsen, and Emmer) voted yes on the tax bill. Not a single Democrat in the House voted for it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...live-vote.html

    The Republican No's came from California, NJ, NY, and one from North Carolina.

    Everyone that voted yes is drip slime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    There's no room in the cronyist paradise for education. Only Pavlovian training.
    Fixed that. US hasn't been capitalist since the Industrial Revolution.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Every Minnesota Republican House Member (Lewis, Paulsen, and Emmer) voted yes on the tax bill. Not a single Democrat in the House voted for it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...live-vote.html

    The Republican No's came from California, NJ, NY, and one from North Carolina.

    Everyone that voted yes is drip slime.
    But that does leave *some* hope that someone will have some sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    But that does leave *some* hope that someone will have some sense.
    CA, NY, and NJ are all Democrats in the Senate. Not much hope. Corker, Collins, and McCain are not coming to the rescue.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    By the way. The very "pass through" tax provision that is in the Federal Bill comes from Kansas. Kansas destroyed their public schools doing the very thing we're bringing national. What a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    By the way. The very "pass through" tax provision that is in the Federal Bill comes from Kansas. Kansas destroyed their public schools doing the very thing we're bringing national. What a great idea.
    And it's caused the system to be gamed as hell. Bill Self gets a base salary from the University, but all ancillary pay such as endorsements, camp revenue, etc goes to an LLC so he can get the pass through tax rate. And he's far from the only one using that scheme. I'm guessing all smart independent contractors do the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    And it's caused the system to be gamed as hell. Bill Self gets a base salary from the University, but all ancillary pay such as endorsements, camp revenue, etc goes to an LLC so he can get the pass through tax rate. And he's far from the only one using that scheme. I'm guessing all smart independent contractors do the same thing.
    Yep, that's one of the loopholes. But, I'm dumb because I point out how my tax rate is higher than the rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    By the way. The very "pass through" tax provision that is in the Federal Bill comes from Kansas. Kansas destroyed their public schools doing the very thing we're bringing national. What a great idea.
    It doesn't repeat. But it rhymes.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    And it's caused the system to be gamed as hell. Bill Self gets a base salary from the University, but all ancillary pay such as endorsements, camp revenue, etc goes to an LLC so he can get the pass through tax rate. And he's far from the only one using that scheme. I'm guessing all smart independent contractors do the same thing.
    Ever wonder why these uber-rich virtue signalers have their own "charities"? You've just explained it. Sure they might "help people", but it's really a slush fund for the "CEO". Clinton Foundation keeps 97% for their own.

    Oh, and you'd be surprised at how many of them aren't in support of the bill you're whining about.
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