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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    According to one report, there may be one tiny nugget of goodness hiding under the whole stinking pile of the tax plan: The elimination of the personal healthcare mandate. However, I can't celebrate this small victory unless it's still true that it was a law that was never enforced by any citation, fine, or penalty in its history (so that only the people who care about following the law follow it). Does anyone know if it has ever been enforced?
    To clarify, a law that is by policy unenforced is far worse than no law at all. It costs the Obamacare program its credibility at the cost of a working balance of risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    You pay a penalty on your taxes for each month you're uncovered, I had to do it last year when between jobs.
    Well then, that's good and bad. Good if they made the law real instead of treating it as a make-believe pretend law for those interested in playing, but it also means that this repeal and the rest of the Republican tax plan is 100% steaming pile from top to bottom. There's no good in there anywhere, as far as I know. Is there? I mean they decided not to tax the pass-through tuition funds on grad students, but that's like deciding not to shoot the last crippled child at Wounded Knee because you know she'll starve anyway.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    Well then, that's good and bad. Good if they made the law real instead of treating it as a make-believe pretend law for those interested in playing, but it also means that this repeal and the rest of the Republican tax plan is 100% steaming pile from top to bottom. There's no good in there anywhere, as far as I know. Is there? I mean they decided not to tax the pass-through tuition funds on grad students, but that's like deciding not to shoot the last crippled child at Wounded Knee because you know she'll starve anyway.
    Yeah... it's pretty much a steaming pile no argument there. It might be good (for you) if you have a LLC or something but that's about all I can think of.

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    Here's where the national debt is: https://solari.com/blog/the-missing-...mark-skidmore/
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    The Onion found somebody who likes the tax heist bill.
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    The Republican Party in one chart:

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The Republican Party in one chart:

    The biggest changes in the correlation direction I assume you're trying to convey, especially with the bottom 90%, seem to happen during Democrat controlled times. Just saying...
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    Remember when we said it would be just too tempting for a GOP Senator to posture on The Heist?
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    Remember when we said it would be just too tempting for a GOP Senator to posture on The Heist?
    I just don't get why he's pushing for the child tax credit. It doesn't fit his politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I just don't get why he's pushing for the child tax credit. It doesn't fit his politics.
    Because he's just getting attention and something he can blat about to his constituents. He doesn't give a sh-t about the issue, he has a green screen and just projects anything on it. The goal is to get on teevee and make the Very Concerned Face and heroically deliver some cheese.

    The problem with which is... then everybody will make the same pandering run. If Rubio gets even a fig leaf then if I run against any other Republican in 2018 I wail " when Rubio made his demand why didn't you stand up for {Whatever the F-ckwit Issue of the Day Is}? Why didn't you put it in a brothel for orphans? Won't somebody think of the orphans?!"

    So now 51 Republican senators are crawling all over each other like grandfathers at a gay orgy trying to play Posture Princess for the rubes back home. And eventually the needle ticks over $1.5T or something else happens and Corker gets a friend who says "no more debt" or one of the Freedumbers demands something really stupid and is denied and then holds his breath, and suddenly you're up against seating Jones and you have the debt ceiling BS to get through and...

    Anyway. Let's hope this stuff continues to unravel. Anything to stop The Heist.
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    After a night of Ayn Rand love making..........



    U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday defended a one-page (I posted that ridiculous one page Treasury analysis a few days ago) analysis by the Treasury Department that asserted a tax plan pushed by the Republican-led Congress would pay for itself in 10 years.

    ďI think that estimate makes a lot of sense. Ö I do believe the Treasury when they say that this is going to unleash a lot of economic growth, which will accrue more revenues,Ē Ryan told reporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The Republican Party in one chart:

    The slide begins circa 1987 (Reagan tax cuts?).

    To 1988 was RWR (R), then to 1992 was GHWB (R), then 1992 to 2000 was WJC (D), 2000-2008 was GWB (R), then BHO (D) from 2008 to 2016, now DJT (R).

    The years in Executive power seem fairly evenly divided between D and R. Seem nobody wanted to pull back on those reins.

    If someone has the breakdown of Congress that'd be interesting too.
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    The slide begins circa 1987 (Reagan tax cuts?).

    To 1988 was RWR (R), then to 1992 was GHWB (R), then 1992 to 2000 was WJC (D), 2000-2008 was GWB (R), then BHO (D) from 2008 to 2016, now DJT (R).

    The years in Executive power seem fairly evenly divided between D and R. Seem nobody wanted to pull back on those reins.

    If someone has the breakdown of Congress that'd be interesting too.
    Look at the inflection points for the 0.1%. It starts going down around 1932 (New Deal) and starts going back up around 1980 (Saint Ronnie). This is a Republican disease with a Democratic cure.

    As I have said a thousand times, the Democrats did very little to rollback the Reagan Error in 1992-00 and 2008-16. They at best plateaued it for a moment until the next GOP idiot restarted the rot. They were neither evil or good, but neutral.

    Job 1 is sweep the GOP from power. This is where Rover and I agree.

    Job 2 is take over the Democratic party with genuine economic liberals and repudiate the last thirty years of compromising with (or being co-opted by) the Plutes. This is where Rover and I go to war.

    But there's no sense in worrying about Job 2 right now. We must all pull together to burn the Republican tick off the American economy.
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    I just don't get why he's pushing for the child tax credit. It doesn't fit his politics.
    the spics (his peeps) have a lot of kids. geez...
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    This is the note I sent to my Congressman today:

    This Trump fiscal Heist is as damaging as the Reagan Heist. While we recognize the Dems can do little as a minority party, once you regain the majority and the WH you will need to act quickly and decisively. You did almost nothing from 1992-2000 and 2008-2016 to stop the Plutocratic wave. A lot of high level Democrats got rich, but the country was reduced by rapine and theft. The GOP is a lost cause on this, we understand they simply act for the 1% -- that’s their mission statement. But the Dems have also been terrible since the early 90s – at best they have held the line but never reversed the trickle down policies which since the 1980s and really since JFK’s ill-advised tax reform of the 1960s have decimated the middle class. Meanwhile Dem Members, advisors, and pundits live in wonderful homes in Alexandria and ride the revolving door between great jobs in academia, K Street or Think Tanks. They lecture us on why we cannot return to economic justice – boo, too scary -- while sending their kids to the Phillips Academy.

    Well, 2016 taught us all just how tired the whole country is of that shtick. I never said this and you didn’t hear it, but maybe it’s fine the Dems have abandoned the Poors. They don’t vote, they lose. Suboptimal, but understandable for a pol to stick his blood funnel where the votes are. And to be honest, and I didn’t say this either, 2016 showed us what a mess the white Poors are at this point. So OK -- vaya con Dios. But you have also given the middle class the shaft since the DLC took over the party. We noticed. You folks aren’t fooling anyone.

    Real economic liberalism must come back, starting with very high (I mean > 70%) top marginal rates and the elimination of the distinction between cap gains and earned income. Your choices are: (1) liberals regain the Democratic party, we all flourish, and you get the credit, (2) a third party bleeds off liberals and we remain nothing but a neofascist hellhole for the rest of our lives, and you sir don’t get any cushy committee chairs, or (3) bad stuff happens in the streets, in which we all lose, badly, and well we will have deserved it. The DNC’s fiddling while the Republic burns is noted and logged. Nobody is going to follow a well-heeled clique that merely wants to rearrange deck chairs and swap which donor get the kickbacks. If that’s the alternative the Deplorables will continue to win. People are electrified by positive change, not just a stick to avoid.

    OK, so I won’t tell you the public isn’t dumb enough to be fooled by more of the same. Of course they are. But Democratic inaction has nearly ruined this country. If you’re a liberal you need to stop messing around and start thinking about the long term. If you’re a moderate either help or get out of the way.

    Voter anger isn’t all irrational. Plenty of us who would be loyal and pull hard for the blue team have just about had it with party hypocrisy. The Democratic caucus had better start getting results or face electoral extinction. I know I’ll never get a personal answer but feel free to circulate this to other Members you feel need a wake up or, if you’re deeply cynical, a laugh.

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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    This is the note I sent to my Congressman today:
    This is well written, and good on you for sending it. I think you go a little overboard with the 70% rate though. For me 45% on ordinary income and 30% on capital gains along with getting rid of or reducing certain deductions would be a better way to go. Also, the estate tax over say a million dollars absolutely needs to come back.
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    This is the note I sent to my Congressman today:
    I'm guessing you get ignored as that left a mark.
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    This is the note I sent to my Congressman today:
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